Post: Are Shotguns OP?!
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02-22-2013, 08:26 PM
#1
CronicImpulse
Hurah!
02-27-2013, 07:47 PM
#29
zackandjon
I am error
Originally posted by uG
Your logic of "whats to stop me picking up the weapon?" is silly, i won't pick it up because i like using other guns, If anything thats more of a problem, as it means im being forced to use a gun i dont like or would rather not use. And again, by that logic i could say to you, play Ground war, then host OP'ness wont have an effect because the odds are you wont run into them, or you certainly wont as much. No, because you want to play what you want, and similarly i want to use the guns i like as easily as any other gun.
I personally get very little enjoyment out of aiming roughly (and i mean roughly) in someones direction and pulling a trigger once to get a kill...
Also you misunderstood my comment of 20-30 shots, the point i was making is that the shotguns spray of pellets is like a spray of sniper bullets, and therefore a very unskillful way of "no-scoping" even though this is a very rough link, it gets the point across.
I don't understand your logic? So SMG's aren't overpowered, but the other guns are underpowered? That is essentially saying you agree that guns are op. In relation to SMG's, guns are underpowered, Therefore in relation to other guns, the SMG's are OP.
And for the record, Shotguns aren't OP. The remington is OP.
I personally get very little enjoyment out of aiming roughly (and i mean roughly) in someones direction and pulling a trigger once to get a kill...
Also you misunderstood my comment of 20-30 shots, the point i was making is that the shotguns spray of pellets is like a spray of sniper bullets, and therefore a very unskillful way of "no-scoping" even though this is a very rough link, it gets the point across.
I don't understand your logic? So SMG's aren't overpowered, but the other guns are underpowered? That is essentially saying you agree that guns are op. In relation to SMG's, guns are underpowered, Therefore in relation to other guns, the SMG's are OP.
And for the record, Shotguns aren't OP. The remington is OP.
I use the KSG which uses a sniper slug one bullet no spray... and no one said you HAD to pick up my weapon... just that you can in all fairness.
so 20 to 30 shots dead on is good A$$
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Originally posted by Justice
Anyone who could go from 42-3 to 3-20 has bigger issues than connection like his thumbs falling off...
You have an informed opinion. Map design is what makes SMGs and a GOOD shotgun user so potent. MW3's SMGs are way better but since MW3 favored Assault Rifles equally if not more and there werent as many complaints. The design the game modes, streak system, Ghost and maps with fast paced gameplay in mind. An Assault Rifle from MW2 wouldnt be as strong in this game.
If people didn't always moan about maps being to big and the apparent unstoppable campers they wouldn't have made the game this way. I used nothing but AR on MW2 and on BO1. Mw3 I favored AR slightly. This game is obviously designed for SMGs. Smart people know why. We wanted Ghost nerfed and campers dealt with so now people need to do with getting flanked and overwhelmed by SMGs...Once mote DLC comes out then more "too big map" complaints will come...
You have an informed opinion. Map design is what makes SMGs and a GOOD shotgun user so potent. MW3's SMGs are way better but since MW3 favored Assault Rifles equally if not more and there werent as many complaints. The design the game modes, streak system, Ghost and maps with fast paced gameplay in mind. An Assault Rifle from MW2 wouldnt be as strong in this game.
If people didn't always moan about maps being to big and the apparent unstoppable campers they wouldn't have made the game this way. I used nothing but AR on MW2 and on BO1. Mw3 I favored AR slightly. This game is obviously designed for SMGs. Smart people know why. We wanted Ghost nerfed and campers dealt with so now people need to do with getting flanked and overwhelmed by SMGs...Once mote DLC comes out then more "too big map" complaints will come...
Really have you ever even played on XBOX???
I think the server is SHI%...
02-27-2013, 07:51 PM
#30
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by zackandjon
I use the KSG which uses a sniper slug one bullet no spray... and no one said you HAD to pick up my weapon... just that you can in all fairness.
so 20 to 30 shots dead on is good A$$
---------- Post added at 03:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:45 PM ----------
Really have you ever even played on XBOX???
I think the server is SHI%...
so 20 to 30 shots dead on is good A$$
---------- Post added at 03:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:45 PM ----------
Really have you ever even played on XBOX???
I think the server is SHI%...
I play on PS3 which typically gets shittier connections than Xbox 360 would dream of especially with Activison involved.
I'd presume the 3-20 was an exaggeration. Going 3-20 usually means someone is a splitscreen player, is trying to get Assault Shield only kills, or maybe a 3 year old. If the lag was bad enough to be the big reason someone goes 3-20 then chances are they forgot there is an option to just quit the game. A lag that would allow you to go 3-20 is a game you probably should've quit.
02-27-2013, 11:01 PM
#31
SweatyMidgets
Swagger Swagger
02-27-2013, 11:13 PM
#32
xWaY2GonEx
Grunt
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02-28-2013, 04:25 AM
#33
Melvin Peralta
Do a barrel roll!
02-28-2013, 08:45 PM
#35
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
The word "overpowered" should only apply to something doing something it's not designed to do. I will say that I hate what I refer to as Trolls and/or "Scrap Killers". These are your quickscopers, knife only, pistol only, shotgun and even Target Finder guys. These guys normally suck and go negative, don't play objective, get tons of streaks or do anything that helps their teams at all. Sure a few will be good at it but for the most part these are gimmick players.
Have any of you actually tried to use a shotgun? The KSG will one shot someone from like seemingly 20 ft then the next kill you get like 2-3 hitmarkers within 1 ft of an enemy. Remington is more consistent obviously. The shotguns do what their supposed to do and that's be deadly at close range, annoy the piss out of us with the occasional fluke kill outside of close range. I seriously doubt any of you are facing Sandy Ravage, Dying Soldier or some godly shotgun user. You're probably facing the guy who will kill you, then actually die WHILE YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR KILLCAM.
I think shotguns are annoying but that's only because the users are essentially kamikaze guys who I FUCKING HATED ON MW3. The guys who would go like 12-30 always killing you close to a high streak or MOAB and then having the nerve to call in an EMP or Stealth Bomber(another Support diss). So I'm not defending shotguns but honestly look at the scores of the users. Put on a KSG class and tell me how "overpowed" it is. The minute you miss that first shot whether it be from lag or poor aim or that Target Finder guy is out of your range then you'll see just how shotguns somewhat balance out. If they were overpowered, trust me people would be dominating instead of going 12-30 or best case 30-23.
These shotguns couldn't hold the Spas 12/AA12 from MW2 or pre patch Striker from MW3's jock. The map designs force you into more close range battles so if you're one of those guys still trying to use Assault Rifles like M27 or Type 25 then of course these trolls will kill you. My biggest issue is how laggy these shotguns kill you. You seem to put 3-4 bullets then the troll turns and one shots you. Which of course is showcasing how bad the lag can be in this game more than anything.
Have any of you actually tried to use a shotgun? The KSG will one shot someone from like seemingly 20 ft then the next kill you get like 2-3 hitmarkers within 1 ft of an enemy. Remington is more consistent obviously. The shotguns do what their supposed to do and that's be deadly at close range, annoy the piss out of us with the occasional fluke kill outside of close range. I seriously doubt any of you are facing Sandy Ravage, Dying Soldier or some godly shotgun user. You're probably facing the guy who will kill you, then actually die WHILE YOU'RE WATCHING YOUR KILLCAM.
I think shotguns are annoying but that's only because the users are essentially kamikaze guys who I FUCKING HATED ON MW3. The guys who would go like 12-30 always killing you close to a high streak or MOAB and then having the nerve to call in an EMP or Stealth Bomber(another Support diss). So I'm not defending shotguns but honestly look at the scores of the users. Put on a KSG class and tell me how "overpowed" it is. The minute you miss that first shot whether it be from lag or poor aim or that Target Finder guy is out of your range then you'll see just how shotguns somewhat balance out. If they were overpowered, trust me people would be dominating instead of going 12-30 or best case 30-23.
These shotguns couldn't hold the Spas 12/AA12 from MW2 or pre patch Striker from MW3's jock. The map designs force you into more close range battles so if you're one of those guys still trying to use Assault Rifles like M27 or Type 25 then of course these trolls will kill you. My biggest issue is how laggy these shotguns kill you. You seem to put 3-4 bullets then the troll turns and one shots you. Which of course is showcasing how bad the lag can be in this game more than anything.
02-28-2013, 08:52 PM
#36
sniper killer 2
Banned
03-01-2013, 05:24 PM
#37
Chaz
Tremble Underfoot
Originally posted by Cronicx187
Hey guys, on Black ops 2 a lot of people use shotguns. It seems to me that shotguns give a lot of 1s1k i am not sure i would go so far as to say they are OP but they are for sure annoying as hell to die from. Just wondering do you guys think they are OP? should they be buffed ? Just comment your thoughts on the subject.
If they were OP then they would need to be nerfed, not buffed. :p
But no. Shotguns are meant to be strong. You sacrifice range for up close damage and
kill chance. It's all about the tradeoff.
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