Post: NGU Official debate Week #4 Jan 22- Jan 29
01-23-2009, 01:50 AM #1
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01-27-2009, 05:35 PM #56
elfmotat
Rᵤᵥ - ½gᵤᵥR ∝ Tᵤᵥ
[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeB7bO38CTM]YouTube - "Prove God DOESN'T Exist"[/ame]

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcTSVOtlIE]YouTube - The Ten Inquiries[/ame]

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HapM9NFWaLo]YouTube - In Search of the Crocoduck[/ame]

just some good videos i wanted to share.
01-27-2009, 06:42 PM #57
Lol the first video is funny matt.
01-27-2009, 07:51 PM #58
PART 1

God, Allah, what ever religion you are. If you are religious you have a right to believe in a higher being but if you are not religious you have a right not to believe in a higher being. There is no proof of a higher being but there is proof of Jesus. Christians will say that God made the human life and other existing life forms that we do not know of. But many scientists believe that the big bang created the universe. Many people believe that people have "god-like" features for example: the people of the Rastafari religion believe that Haile Selassie was "god-like". So it is up to you what you believe. Freedom of speech, people have the right to speak the minds. Until there is proof that god exists or he/she doesnt exist this argument will not be settled. People have been made not to believe in God due to Bible stories such as: Mary and she is a virgin but still she is having a baby.

PART TWO
To finish of my post i am going to post this:

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

existence of GodThe Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

proof of GodWater is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

existence of GodThe human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. Which leads us to the next point...looking at all that does exist, where did it come from?

Source for the last part: [url]www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html[/url]
Source for the first part: My own thoughts.
01-27-2009, 08:11 PM #59
Rage
NGU Original
Okay not really a contribution to the debate, but you know next debate i think should be about "Is War Really Necessary?" Smile
01-27-2009, 08:52 PM #60
elfmotat
Rᵤᵥ - ½gᵤᵥR ∝ Tᵤᵥ
Originally posted by J.Fletcher View Post
PART 1

God, Allah, what ever religion you are. If you are religious you have a right to believe in a higher being but if you are not religious you have a right not to believe in a higher being. There is no proof of a higher being but there is proof of Jesus. Christians will say that God made the human life and other existing life forms that we do not know of. But many scientists believe that the big bang created the universe. Many people believe that people have "god-like" features for example: the people of the Rastafari religion believe that Haile Selassie was "god-like". So it is up to you what you believe. Freedom of speech, people have the right to speak the minds. Until there is proof that god exists or he/she doesnt exist this argument will not be settled. People have been made not to believe in God due to Bible stories such as: Mary and she is a virgin but still she is having a baby.

PART TWO
To finish of my post i am going to post this:

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

existence of GodThe Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

proof of GodWater is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

existence of GodThe human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. Which leads us to the next point...looking at all that does exist, where did it come from?

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Source for the first part: My own thoughts.


1. In my opinion, the complexity and pointlessness of some things proves the opposite. We're supposed to believe the quadrillions of stars, and nearly infinately long space was created for us? Even though we will never see most of it, let alone go there? Why are we so special?

2. We evolved to the conditions of this planet. Had we evolved somewhere else, we would be different. For exaple: if there was an abundance in silicon, but hardly and carbon, then we might be silicon based instead of organic.

3. It is the only planet that can sustain us because its the only planet we've ever known. If we were closer to the sun, we would adapt or die. If we were farther away, we would adapt or die. If the world lost its oxygen, life would adapt or die. Its how evolution works. Of course this is the only planet that can sustain us, its the only planet we've ever adapted to.

4. The fact we evolved to be based off of one of the most abundant substances on earth suprises you? If water was out of the ordinary, then we would taste it. There's not point in tasting something that you need to survive; evolution felt the same way.

5. Like i said, everything evolved touse those characteristics to its advantage.

6. Although the human brain invented God, it does not serve as proof. It can do these things because we adapted to survive... once again. Had we not had the neccesity to have these characteristics, we would not have them. We've had 4.5 billion years to get to where we are; its not that far of a stretch.

7. Like i said, we needed all of these things to survive back in the cave-man days.

8. The initial source of the eye and brain are just that: mutations. They benefitted the organisms, therefore the trait developed. How did life come from non-living matter? Primordial soup is the best guess at this time. No one knows for sure. Where did this all come from? That's anyone's guess. The "God" answer, i feel, is the lazy way out. It teaches you to be content with your answer, and not search deeper. I can turn that question back on you, and ask where did God come from in the first place? If all we see needs to have a creator, then who created him?

It seems like eveything you mentioned can be explained through evolution. You need to look more into how it works before stating things like "The human brain is complex and therefore the invisible man in the sky made it."
01-27-2009, 08:59 PM #61
AgentJon
Former Staff
final word= Its what YOU believe in
01-27-2009, 09:17 PM #62
I'm not going to debate this a lot and stuff, but I think one big reason people don't believe in God is because they're used to life shitting on them and when they tried to nothing changed.
01-27-2009, 10:37 PM #63
elfmotat
Rᵤᵥ - ½gᵤᵥR ∝ Tᵤᵥ
Originally posted by MATT51723
I'm not going to debate this a lot and stuff, but I think one big reason people don't believe in God is because they're used to life shitting on them and when they tried to nothing changed.


definately not my reasoning. i just want to think logically, and come up with feasable answers, as opposed to just saying "The magic invisible man made everything and now i must worship him or be sent to a place of eternal torture."

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