Post: Americans and War
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12-01-2010, 08:38 PM
#1
iPython
Haxor!
I'm sure anyone with half a brain realizes that America is currently engaging in a war, they've been engaged in previous wars and will be engaged in wars to come. My question is, do you guys think the USA is the innocent one is these wars?
My opinion, hell no. The war against Afghanistan and the Taliban was caused by Americans, you can choose not to believe me but it is true. Take a class on world issues or do some research and you'll see why.
I hate to touch on such a sensitive subject, but I think 9/11 could have been avoided if Americans kept their nose out of business that isn't theirs.
I actually feel sorry for those who think that your soldiers are fighting for such a good cause (they are defending your country, yes, but think about why it needs to be defended in the first place), I respect any soldier greatly for what they are doing but some people are under the illusion that the USA is innocent when the war you are facing right now is your fault.
No American bashing intended, btw.
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12-09-2010, 09:47 PM
#56
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by iPython
TheBearJew, you are an idiot. My IQ has undoubtedly lowered due to reading your posts.
All you can bring up is how America can drop a bomb and end a war by doing so, if you cannot think of anything better than that, you really have no place in a debate.
Do us all a favor and click on a different section.
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What in the **** are you talking about? The USA is definitely not the best country in the world, look up the best places to live based on HDI factors and you will see that USA is not first.
I don't hate your country, you guys are almost exactly the same as we are. You wouldn't wipe us off the face off the Earth, because we Canadians supply the engines for your military vehicles, where would America be with no engines to use in their plights for 'justice'? We don't use you as protection, Canadian soldiers are out there fighting YOUR war. Innocent people are dieing for something that doesn't involve them at all.
All you can bring up is how America can drop a bomb and end a war by doing so, if you cannot think of anything better than that, you really have no place in a debate.
Do us all a favor and click on a different section.
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What in the **** are you talking about? The USA is definitely not the best country in the world, look up the best places to live based on HDI factors and you will see that USA is not first.
I don't hate your country, you guys are almost exactly the same as we are. You wouldn't wipe us off the face off the Earth, because we Canadians supply the engines for your military vehicles, where would America be with no engines to use in their plights for 'justice'? We don't use you as protection, Canadian soldiers are out there fighting YOUR war. Innocent people are dieing for something that doesn't involve them at all.
Python I love you. (very homo) Your posts never fail to make me giggle. A man after my own heart.
12-13-2010, 04:43 AM
#57
dapreacher23
Climbing up the ladder
Bro you are so blind on the Muslims in fact religion in general. To teach islam is school is the perfect brainwashing technique to "recruit muslims" in the future. Try saying you want to talk about Jesus in school and you would get into trouble even expelled. Think about it who are the ones going into jails recruiting people saying its okay to have sex with 10yr old girls. Hmmm last time I checked it wasnt the Christians. Haha plus it takes more work in your religion "atheism" to even believ in something... oh btw do you disrespect Atheism.
Originally posted by iPython
To say Muslims want to take over the world is sheer stupidity, the ones that have that mindset are extremists and are a very minuscule group. Believe it or not, religions other than Christianity can be taught in school systems. If I disrespect one religion, I disrespect them all equally as I don't believe in any of them.
12-13-2010, 05:52 AM
#58
Pimp
Rustler Of Jimmies
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
I love this thread. America need to keep the noses out of everything that doesn't concern them. What I don't like is that only America believe that only they can go to war. Such as the recent incident with North and South Korea. North bombed south. America told the South not to retaliate after the initial retaliation. The same scenario, different people. Al-Qaeda hit the trade centres. America retaliate by going to war with the Taliban, the "suspects". Get my point? The war has killed more people than it's worth. Yet when SK get's attacked and has deaths, America tell them not to go to war. WTF is with that shit? Why is it only America who can pick the wars? Is it because America only want to go to war with weak people. Take WW1+2. Despite what the brain washed Americans think, Germany was on it's knees at the time they jumped in, in both wars, giving them a somewhat weak enemy. Then we have Vietnam. A country which isn't as developed as the West at the time. They would seem weak, wouldn't they? A country that can't afford much, they won't be that hard to defeat, would they? They got their arses kicked. Now we have the Taliban. An extremist group who fight in sandals. Not a huge threat it would seem. Sandals, scooters, AK's, no advanced weapons etc. Wrong again. They have proved that they aren't a pushover with the war lasting 9 years(?).
Then when it comes to NK, who have nukes, have a huge army, advanced weapons etc, America tell SK not to attack. Why's that you think, taking into account what I just said.
And then the American government wonder why they have national security threats.
Then when it comes to NK, who have nukes, have a huge army, advanced weapons etc, America tell SK not to attack. Why's that you think, taking into account what I just said.
And then the American government wonder why they have national security threats.
LOL "America only goes to war with weak countrys" xD Good one. Then the UK is a weak country ? As for Germany we just helped stop the NAZIs . Hitler refused to listen to reason . I dont see how Germany was a weak country they were actually the strongest . Hitler invaded certain countrys at a bad time and failed . He didnt split up his army and Failed . Also Japan was a big threath at the time they had parts of china . Also The middle east is very rich oil rise and has bigger army than US . Dont BS Me with your weak country theorys.
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[quote='[xG]RawR;2064650']Your right with it all there Will. But really, Osama might use the war to his best ability because people are so focused on war now-We forget the terrorists most of the time...
And to be honest, the water boarding bit would probably help. It interegates the victim and that can lead to massive news but if it doesn't work-the reciever will probably end up dead because no one knows what to do with him.
The towers. They can be rebuilt, it's only A tower. As you said, in 9 years; many more could have been built! Might not be the same height or anything like that but there would definately be more.
I agree with everything there Will apart from the waterboarding shizz in some ways
[/quote]thats very ignorant even in sarcasm "Its only a tower"
12-13-2010, 12:15 PM
#59
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by iPython
I'm Canadian, just saying.
I'm sure anyone with half a brain realizes that America is currently engaging in a war, they've been engaged in previous wars and will be engaged in wars to come. My question is, do you guys think the USA is the innocent one is these wars?
My opinion, hell no. The war against Afghanistan and the Taliban was caused by Americans, you can choose not to believe me but it is true. Take a class on world issues or do some research and you'll see why.
I hate to touch on such a sensitive subject, but I think 9/11 could have been avoided if Americans kept their nose out of business that isn't theirs.
I actually feel sorry for those who think that your soldiers are fighting for such a good cause (they are defending your country, yes, but think about why it needs to be defended in the first place), I respect any soldier greatly for what they are doing but some people are under the illusion that the USA is innocent when the war you are facing right now is your fault.
No American bashing intended, btw.
I'm sure anyone with half a brain realizes that America is currently engaging in a war, they've been engaged in previous wars and will be engaged in wars to come. My question is, do you guys think the USA is the innocent one is these wars?
My opinion, hell no. The war against Afghanistan and the Taliban was caused by Americans, you can choose not to believe me but it is true. Take a class on world issues or do some research and you'll see why.
I hate to touch on such a sensitive subject, but I think 9/11 could have been avoided if Americans kept their nose out of business that isn't theirs.
I actually feel sorry for those who think that your soldiers are fighting for such a good cause (they are defending your country, yes, but think about why it needs to be defended in the first place), I respect any soldier greatly for what they are doing but some people are under the illusion that the USA is innocent when the war you are facing right now is your fault.
No American bashing intended, btw.
First off I live in the US. The first time America's military went into the middle east is when saddam hussein took over Kuwait and had his eyes on Saudi Arabia which NATO agreed to support. So we entered the Saudi Arabia which upset many as we didn't follow the customs such as women covering their faces and our women were soldiers and pilots. We went into Kuwait took it and gave it back to Kuwait. As for Afghanistan the war is next to unwinnable as their is no central government.
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Originally posted by iPython
Considering Americans are at fault in this war, I agree. Again, this may sound like me being an ass, but if Americans want to start a war, they should be the ones to fight it, alone. Because of them, countries that are originally innocent are being dragged into it.
WTF!!! are you talking about. Please tell me about these countries that are supposedly innocent before you start saying things.
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Originally posted by iPython
Wow, way to contribute to the debate.
9/11 occurred because the USA cannot keep out of other countries affairs. They pissed off Afghanistan and with that they pissed off Bin Laden. Bin Laden is obviously quite the charismatic person if he can tell people to hijack a plane and kill themselves in the process.
The best part is, is that you think terrorism is an act of violence, which while it is, is more retaliation.
Terrorism is merely a way that a weak force (Afghanistan) pushed back against a strong force that is bullying it (real or perceived bullying). You can love America as much as you like, but don't ignore the darker facts.
Here is a paragraph for you to read on the matter.
"The US version of western civilization has been exported to the rest of the world. Not everyone else in the world appreciates it or wants it. Also there is no corner of the world that does not feel the influence of the US.
A group that doesn't like US influence governing their activities decided to make a statement and what a statement it was.
The US is not the benevolent influence we americans like mythologize. Outside the US our influence can be quite uncaring and brutal, all in the name of national interest. The US has never been that entity other than brief events that were typically the result of individual actions. The arabs have no more reason to love the US than the native americans."
9/11 occurred because the USA cannot keep out of other countries affairs. They pissed off Afghanistan and with that they pissed off Bin Laden. Bin Laden is obviously quite the charismatic person if he can tell people to hijack a plane and kill themselves in the process.
The best part is, is that you think terrorism is an act of violence, which while it is, is more retaliation.
Terrorism is merely a way that a weak force (Afghanistan) pushed back against a strong force that is bullying it (real or perceived bullying). You can love America as much as you like, but don't ignore the darker facts.
Here is a paragraph for you to read on the matter.
"The US version of western civilization has been exported to the rest of the world. Not everyone else in the world appreciates it or wants it. Also there is no corner of the world that does not feel the influence of the US.
A group that doesn't like US influence governing their activities decided to make a statement and what a statement it was.
The US is not the benevolent influence we americans like mythologize. Outside the US our influence can be quite uncaring and brutal, all in the name of national interest. The US has never been that entity other than brief events that were typically the result of individual actions. The arabs have no more reason to love the US than the native americans."
9/11 happened by many upset radicals in Saudi Arabia. If you knew most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. The upset happened when we didn't follow Saudi Arabian customs when Saddam was planning on invading them. Thats where alot of the hate started
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Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
I love this thread. America need to keep the noses out of everything that doesn't concern them. What I don't like is that only America believe that only they can go to war. Such as the recent incident with North and South Korea. North bombed south. America told the South not to retaliate after the initial retaliation. The same scenario, different people. Al-Qaeda hit the trade centres. America retaliate by going to war with the Taliban, the "suspects". Get my point? The war has killed more people than it's worth. Yet when SK get's attacked and has deaths, America tell them not to go to war. WTF is with that shit? Why is it only America who can pick the wars? Is it because America only want to go to war with weak people. Take WW1+2. Despite what the brain washed Americans think, Germany was on it's knees at the time they jumped in, in both wars, giving them a somewhat weak enemy. Then we have Vietnam. A country which isn't as developed as the West at the time. They would seem weak, wouldn't they? A country that can't afford much, they won't be that hard to defeat, would they? They got their arses kicked. Now we have the Taliban. An extremist group who fight in sandals. Not a huge threat it would seem. Sandals, scooters, AK's, no advanced weapons etc. Wrong again. They have proved that they aren't a pushover with the war lasting 9 years(?).
Then when it comes to NK, who have nukes, have a huge army, advanced weapons etc, America tell SK not to attack. Why's that you think, taking into account what I just said.
And then the American government wonder why they have national security threats.
Then when it comes to NK, who have nukes, have a huge army, advanced weapons etc, America tell SK not to attack. Why's that you think, taking into account what I just said.
And then the American government wonder why they have national security threats.
Okay how can you say the US didn't support in WW1+2. When America joined in WW2 Winston Churchill was incredibly glad we went in as it meant huge support. We lent planes and many many soldiers died. Germany was winning at the time. Saying that the soldiers didn't contribute is disrespectful. America and the Soviet Union are both two large reasons WW2 was won.
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Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
Go back to school and take a better history class (and whilst you're at it a better English class too) from a teacher that ISN'T American. You obviously have no idea what happened to say "the allied powers were not getting it done". We didn't need USA. We needed Russia. No one needs USA for anything.The Germans were falling and all you did was finish off a weakened enemy and take all the glory from it. You get involved in shit that doesn't concern you all the time, then wonder why other countries don't like you and attack you.
Yea they needed Russia, Oh wait thats right Russia wasn't Russia it was the Soviet Union and they were on the Nazi side until Hitler invaded them. I'm tired of all the ignorance taking place. Winston Churchill was thrilled when the US got involved. Why don't you talk to some veterans and see what they tell you opposed to watch the media. Which is almost always liberal, one or two stations republican and next to none independent.
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Originally posted by Leo99756
Dude, maybe he did that because it would have ended quicker and therefore less British people would be killed? The Russians made it to Moscow first, not the Americans. The Americans helped yes, but the war was already in favor of the allies when they joined it. If you knew about what are trying to discuss, you may have made yourself look like less of a fool in that post.
You obviously don't know the fact the US was at Moscow, but allowed the Soviet Union to go first as they had a boiling hatred for Germany at that point.
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Originally posted by iPython
To say Muslims want to take over the world is sheer stupidity, the ones that have that mindset are extremists and are a very minuscule group. Believe it or not, religions other than Christianity can be taught in school systems. If I disrespect one religion, I disrespect them all equally as I don't believe in any of them.
If you lived in America you would know that almost no religion is taught at school "So no one gets offended"
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Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
No, it won YOUR war on Japan. When you dropped the bomb the war in Germany was on it's lasts legs. Still speechless after the ass kicking I gave you on your history?
We invaded Germany aswell. Also for your history lesson. Japan invaded China and did horrible things there. America was a huge part on D-Day. Japan was working with Germany. Therefore it's all the same war buddy.
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Originally posted by Will
Was we fighting Japan? No, you were though, Germany were alot stronger than Japan was. We are not bashing Americans, we are stating our veiw because the last thing i remember was ther was a little thing called 'Freedom of Speech' or does not not exist in Herp a Derp were the best land?.
Do some research on D-Day please.
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[quote='[xG]RawR;2064650']Your right with it all there Will. But really, Osama might use the war to his best ability because people are so focused on war now-We forget the terrorists most of the time...
And to be honest, the water boarding bit would probably help. It interegates the victim and that can lead to massive news but if it doesn't work-the reciever will probably end up dead because no one knows what to do with him.
The towers. They can be rebuilt, it's only A tower. As you said, in 9 years; many more could have been built! Might not be the same height or anything like that but there would definately be more.
I agree with everything there Will apart from the waterboarding shizz in some ways
[/quote]Waterboarding did work and lead to finding many affiliates with Al-Queda. Jesus does anyone know anything. The sarcasm on the towers is unnecessary
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Originally posted by Will
But if there going sick at Saddam for torturing people, there doing no better by doing it themselves though?
Saddam's son had girls fingers cut off then would boil them in oil til they died. We do it for information huge difference.
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Originally posted by Martin710
Also I would like to remind the Americans who think they 'saved us' in WWII that they joined the conflict in 1942 and we had been fighting since 1939 and had already repelled an invasion attempt (see operation 'Sealion'. Also Britain had been on mainland Europe already fighting the Nazis and co. since 1940. They joined the final attempt. The Pacific theater was your front.
. Also Britain had been on mainland Europe already fighting the Nazis and co. since 1940. They joined the final attempt. The Pacific theater was your front.
Lol many consider the changing point in the war being D-Day by the way. And yea the war started in 1939 and Germany was winning and controlled most of Europe until they made the mistake of attacking the Soviet Union. Then America invaded in D-Day.
12-13-2010, 12:54 PM
#60
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Originally posted by Just4Hax
Okay how can you say the US didn't support in WW1+2. When America joined in WW2 Winston Churchill was incredibly glad we went in as it meant huge support. We lent planes and many many soldiers died. Germany was winning at the time. Saying that the soldiers didn't contribute is disrespectful. America and the Soviet Union are both two large reasons WW2 was won.
I never said America didn't support us. I know they did. I'm not an idiot. I never said the soldiers didn't contribute either. Please, learn to read.
Originally posted by Just4Hax
Yea they needed Russia, Oh wait thats right Russia wasn't Russia it was the Soviet Union and they were on the Nazi side until Hitler invaded them. I'm tired of all the ignorance taking place. Winston Churchill was thrilled when the US got involved. Why don't you talk to some veterans and see what they tell you opposed to watch the media. Which is almost always liberal, one or two stations republican and next to none independent.
Obviously Churchill would have been thrilled. With the size of America alone it meant we had huge support. What I'm disputing is the fact that America didn't win the war. They helped, and that's all. The war was more or less won. Germany were getting battered slowly by Russia and the cold weather. They were getting battered in France by The British. Then America helped finish off. They didn't win it, and that's what I'm disputing. Not the fact that we didn't need their help. Understand what I'm saying before you spout shit off and get the wrong end of the stick. I'm not that disrespectful.
Originally posted by Just4Hax
Also for your history lesson. Japan invaded China and did horrible things there. America was a huge part on D-Day. Japan was working with Germany. Therefore it's all the same war buddy.
Yeah, I know Japan invaded China and did shit in their. At the time that wasn't a concern for the British. As I recall, Japan bombed Pearl Harbour and you went to war with Japan, not because of what they were doing in China. And if it was what they were doing in China, that backs up my point of America sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. As I also stated, Japan didn't (of what I know) do anything physical to the British, therefore they wasn't a concern, like Germany.
12-13-2010, 01:02 PM
#61
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
I never said America didn't support us. I know they did. I'm not an idiot. I never said the soldiers didn't contribute either. Please, learn to read.
Obviously Churchill would have been thrilled. With the size of America alone it meant we had huge support. What I'm disputing is the fact that America didn't win the war. They helped, and that's all. The war was more or less won. Germany were getting battered slowly by Russia and the cold weather. They were getting battered in France by The British. Then America helped finish off. They didn't win it, and that's what I'm disputing. Not the fact that we didn't need their help. Understand what I'm saying before you spout shit off and get the wrong end of the stick. I'm not that disrespectful.
Yeah, I know Japan invaded China and did shit in their. At the time that wasn't a concern for the British. As I recall, Japan bombed Pearl Harbour and you went to war with Japan, not because of what they were doing in China. And if it was what they were doing in China, that backs up my point of America sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. As I also stated, Japan didn't (of what I know) do anything physical to the British, therefore they wasn't a concern, like Germany.
Obviously Churchill would have been thrilled. With the size of America alone it meant we had huge support. What I'm disputing is the fact that America didn't win the war. They helped, and that's all. The war was more or less won. Germany were getting battered slowly by Russia and the cold weather. They were getting battered in France by The British. Then America helped finish off. They didn't win it, and that's what I'm disputing. Not the fact that we didn't need their help. Understand what I'm saying before you spout shit off and get the wrong end of the stick. I'm not that disrespectful.
Yeah, I know Japan invaded China and did shit in their. At the time that wasn't a concern for the British. As I recall, Japan bombed Pearl Harbour and you went to war with Japan, not because of what they were doing in China. And if it was what they were doing in China, that backs up my point of America sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. As I also stated, Japan didn't (of what I know) do anything physical to the British, therefore they wasn't a concern, like Germany.
You learn to read you stated America came in when Germany was on it's knees and said you didn't need the USA and noone needs them. Called americans brainwashed for thinking we were a big part of the ww2. Said america picks fights with weak countries, get into things that is none of our business (please give me some examples please), so don't go saying I need to learn how to read.
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12-13-2010, 01:32 PM
#62
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Originally posted by Just4Hax
You learn to read you stated America came in when Germany was on it's knees and said you didn't need the USA and noone needs them. Called americans brainwashed for thinking we were a big part of the ww2. Said america picks fights with weak countries, get into things that is none of our business (please give me some examples please), so don't go saying I need to learn how to read.
Yeah, I said we didn't NEED them, not that they didn't support us. I said Americans are brainwashed into thinking they WON the war, not that they thought they gave support. I have already given you example in previous posts, I'm not repeating them, go back and read them.
12-14-2010, 12:53 PM
#64
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
Yeah, I said we didn't NEED them, not that they didn't support us. I said Americans are brainwashed into thinking they WON the war, not that they thought they gave support. I have already given you example in previous posts, I'm not repeating them, go back and read them.
To claim that Britian did not NEED American involvement in the war is laughable.
Apparently brainwashing is not exclusive to this side of the Atlantic.
Without Roosevelt's lend lease program Britian and Russia would have struggled in their war efforts.
Britian had no military presence on continental Europe before US entry.
They had won the control of their airspace, were instrumental in controlling Atlantic shipping lanes, and pushed Axis forces out of North Africa.
Everything after that had full American involvement including all battles in Europe.
Total battle deaths against Germany are nearly the same for the US and Britian at about 350,000.
If the US had not declared war on Germany, after pearl harbor, Hitler would have been able to concentrate his forces on winning the eastern front.
Even if Russia had been sucessful, without 2 other fronts being opened, all of Western Europe would be speaking Russian now or German if they failed.
After 1940, Britian was never in a position to assault mainland Europe without help.
No one can question the bravery or importance of the British role in WW2, nor deny that Russia killed over 80% of the German military and suffered 40 times the causualties of the US and Britian combined.
But it is extremely unlikely that Germany would have been defeated without full American entry into the war.
America did not win the war and neither did Britian.
It was a combined effort, with Russia contributing the most.
American and British contributions were nearly equal, other than Britian standing alone for a critical 2 year period.
Thank god Chamberlin was replaced by Churchill or the world might look very different today, but only someone completely ignorant of history should believe that it would not look different today without full American involvement in the European theater.
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