(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Let's be honest, this is the end of premium. Now that Outsider's team of money makers has added this new Elite, no one has any chance of new stuff being posted in here. I sometimes post from time to time when I have decent enough things to post but unless you BUY Elite your not worth anything and also wont be getting anything from premium. Elite is just the new premium for Outsider and his highly trained money makers to earn more money. They were slacking back on donations and not reaching the goal these days but Hey, they added another premium and named it different and added some new things to make it look better. Premium is worth as much as normal membership and I donated to help the site. I've watched the site change over the years and I've been here and been as loyal as I could. Now, I would think don't premiums deserve Elite? They shaped the site into what it is today and what do we get? Thanks for being premium but we need more money. Let's watch it, no shit will be posted on here, slowly but surely it will just fall behind, no one will care any more and soon they will just remove it all together. I don't think this is very fair at all but we may as well say goodbye all together to premium now. We aren't premium any more, were just membership. Strange how we didn't get a say in if we wanted it or not. Could of just upgraded premium. Nah we just want more money.

Fare-well premium I don't want you to go at all but hey, it wasn't us who changed it.

-Jamie Aka Purp

Disclaimed: You don't like I said? Tough it's the internet I can say what I want. This is also my opinion if you want to express yours your more then welcome to, and if you want to argue, go ahead just don't expect me to give a fuck.


Edit: Alright well seems as the staff members don't want me to tell you that they did indeed change the poll.

It was:

Elite
Is
Fucking
Stupid

And they changed it to:

Elite
Is
Fucking
AWESOME

Also I will keep editing this back to the way I wanted to post it. There's nothing in the rules that state I can't do what I did.

I've been here for 4 yrs now, The first 2 it was small community and still a growing site, most of the 300 to 500 senior members were all about helping the community grow and messing around with gaming glitches and fun videos on how to glitch. It was a smaller and friendlier place and we can never go back to it.
Staff had an easier time then, it was small and friendly and easy to manage. Most knew each other and frankly there was little to do.

In 2010, when the hacking part got big, we had a massive influx of members looking for ways to hack and mod. It was no longer video based on ways to glitch, but tutorial based and the guys that could code became the important members on site.
Staff had a much more difficult time because of the number of reports that were done and managing the forums, keeping the CL requests down was a full time job. and there was little time to spend on managing personalities.
Rep was given out to those that had the best hacks and the rep game began in earnest during that period, as some at the top became so powerful.
The premium sections existed through both of these periods and was somewhat the same as it is today, somewhat inactive, because rep was gained in the main forums, so people did not post there much.

By early 2011 and into mid 2011 the hacking scene was dying and glitching was long gone and NGU was left with an vastly increased membership with no single driving interest to keep most of it occupied. It started focusing on each other instead of gaming in general, rep was a game, but it started to be used more as a moderation tool, or to move up the rep leaderboard and become a "respected" NGU member.
There was lot of staff turnover, in part because they were exhausted by a yr of dealing with the hacking scene and the number of reports and forum moderation it required.

So here we are in mid 2012 and everyone looks back at the good old days, but many are looking back at different periods of time and from different perspectives.
The ex staff looks back on a period when everyone was busting their ass doing moderating, and remember the "In the trenches mentality of that time" with fondness. They look at NGU now and can only see what is wrong with current staff or the site itself
Many non staff that I see commenting, came here in the Hack boom period, got some recognition since then and don't know where to direct their attention now, except at the site and what is wrong with it and why isn't it as busy anymore.

The NGU issues today are not that much different then they were in any periods of its past. There is just not a major gaming interest to occupy the communities attention now. So we are all focused on each other to occupy our time here.

NGU and its staff has done more additions/improvements to the site in the last 6 months, than in any similar period in its history.
DO not forget that a minor revolution was held in early 2011 over Outie's activity, the home page, and other site improvements, and most of that has been addressed without notice.

There have been too many generalizations by everyone, too much focus on what is wrong with someone else's efforts, too much negativity directed at each other and mainly because there is no big gaming activity to pull us together.
With Glitching gone for good, and hacking too it seems, are we dependant on new games releases to pull us together?

Premium section was pronounced dead by premiums for years now, Now that there is a new section, premiums are going to do threads about it?

There are over 16K premiums and at least 3K actives, but 350 Elites are going to diminish their role here?
Where was the defense of the Non Prems before elite? They still exist on the site today.
What of the hundreds of posts by Premiums before claiming that it was not worth it and they would never do it again.

If you are a premium and do not like the Elite concept, Then make the Premium section the desired place to go on NGU.

The truth is that recognition on the site will continue to be gained in the regular forums, that having a different user color is not going to gain someone respect or recognition just for having a different color name.
That the Elite system's content will be the driving factor in its success over the coming months, and if it fails they will all have the same color as premium does.

The site has changed, not so much because of current staff vs previous staff, but because of it's membership growth and the current lack of a unifying gaming desire to attract interest.
Other sites are experiencing similar issues and this site is dealing with them the best we can.

NGU can never please all of its current membership with change, even when that membership has demanded change at times in the past.

But it is up to all of us, especially current and ex staff to keep open positive lines of communication on what can help the site to continue and grow in the future.

Positive communication coming from current site management and openly discussing what the plans are for the future is a key aspect in the continued success of the site, but we need to have an equal effort by ex staff and senior members to keep us all on the same path.
We all need to get away from focusing on the personalities of the site and focus on the Big Picture.

That is to make sure that NGU continues to be the desired place to come to, by us and others that haven't met us yet.

That True i like it it Cool and Good Downloads.

can't be true.

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I just want to kick off with saying thank you for a detailed reply and a little history into NGU. Really gives me some more information about NGU that I didn't know.

I thought this was a suitable thread to create of course that's my opinion. Yea Premium wasn't completely dead, you had different spikes in when threads were posted and what not. I'm a optimistic person. I normally welcome change 90% of the time. But then also if I don't agree with it of course like anyone else I will speak my mind. It's not the fact that the amount of members that are in Elite. It's the fact that Elite replaced premium.

As you can see the whole donation has disappeared from the front page and been replaced by elite. No one knows how to donate and to become premium now. Also maybe if instead of creating the whole Elite and putting staff members to post threads, why can't they do that in premium. Resurrect premium back. All we needed is a push for premium, most members and all staff members have gave up on premium. This is why Elite was created.

My argument isn't that Elite isn't good or it wont work, my personal argument is about how it replaced premium. I also when I make a so called "" thread isn't because premium died, it's because in my eyes it was dying and with new members to premium could of gave it a push. Elite really buried it in it's gave and gave it a goodbye. This isn't just a R.I.P thread this was a thread to show my view on Elite and a chance to say goodbye to premium.

This is a massive rant thread about Elite, I could make many many threads about how NGU in my opinion is one of the best websites out there. I could but what will that tell you? Your doing a good job? I think you can see you are since you are indeed working at 800,000 members and growing and also I'm still here after all these years. Well 2 meaning all.

I don't see where your coming from about Non premiums but I've always respect a member, whether their staff or premium or new or old or just a normal member. Also I respect every Elite member even though I don't feel it was a good change, my oldest and best friend on this site is also Elite and I still respect him as much as I ever have. One thing I don't feel right is that I have to respect staff more then normal members, I can hurl some abuse at members, in a joking way and in a serious way if they have pissed me off enough that I risk a infraction or a banning. I don't feel that's how I should be like with staff. I do infact think staff need to calm down and understand we are joking around or in a angry mood sometimes.

There're is a reason why this thread was created in the premium discussion because I wanted premiums to discuss their view on Elite. This is why the section was created, no?

Indeed big websites like IGN and such have really taken the side of NGU but to be honest I'm not here for gaming or hacking or anything like that anymore. I was and to be honest I didn't give 2 shits about the site. I feel now NGU is apart of me, I care for the members, I care for the site, for the staff. For anything. And if something that is apart of me, such as a relationship I have to talk about the change.

This doesn't mean I will be leaving NGU or anything like that. I love NGU. I wont leave because of change but I want to make NGU better, and I feel this is the best way to go about it. NGU is like my second home, like a school, I learn things, I make friends, I just do what I want.

I think the personality and whats inside the site is what makes NGU special, the comunity, the views, the opinions, the threads. Us members fight for NGU. Whether it be with other sites or members. We don't let NGU just die off and this is what I'm not letting premium do. I want it to always be here, to never die off, it's apart of NGU which is apart of me, when premium dies, a part of NGU dies and that means a part of me dies.

I will continue to spread the word of NGU. It will forever be around me. You may not understand what I mean but I hope this clears up why I'm doing what I'm doing.

Thank you for that heart felt post.
I can clearly see how much you enjoy the site and I feel the same way about the place and it's community.

I agree with you that one should ne able to donate to the site without having to subscribe to elite, although a 10 dollar donation would get you 3 months of elite and at the end you would still be premimum if you ended your subscription.

The fundental issue for most existing premiums now, as I see it, is that they feel that they're are members above them.
This is mainly because of the user colors, but other than that the elite system is more fair than private premium.
That was exclusionary and your inclusion was based on the choice of staff and senior members.
No one seemed overly concerned about that process or it's impact on the standard premium sections content.

I never liked having members excluded from a site feature just because they were unkowm or disliked.
Elite allows anyone , for a nominal fee, to join a section that provides extra features.

It is not exclusionary, and not mandatory.

It is a experiment to create interest in the site, add some content and features as well as create a more desirable means to drive revenue.
My expectation is that after 3 months it will create as much monthly revenue as the old system, and it will be the new content that drives it success.

But because someones name is a different color in no way increases the respect or recognition they have among the members.

That is earned through contributing to the site and is measured by how the rest of the community view those contributions.

I want to close with saying how much I value your input here and completely understand how you are feeling over this change.
I sincerely hope that some of the efforts to make the site more interesting and provide some new features will not be viewed some money grabbing scheme or undervalue the long standing position of a premium member.

Try and think of it as a private premium section where anyone can join and not be excluded at the whim of a staff member or popular person, just because you ate unkown or unpopular.

And thanks again for your post.

Hi outsider,
I've never spoken to you before personally. The chances of you reading this are slim , but hey ho. A few things i'd like to say are , that You should not kill premium off. I don't know how youd keep it alive, but I don't want it to die. another thing is the whole elite is not very original .. its copied from COD ... you should make it more original . How about PRO , Or VIP , or EXC.(Exclusive) I understand that you have to pay for the server and what not , its your site , you can do what you what. I don't particually mind what you do to it. Just once premium has gone, ill have no porn logins.. and that'll be a dissapointment , and no new hacking tutorials. Nevertheless elite is a good idea but there are a small faults in it. I THINK people need to accept the fact elite is happening and is going to happen no matter what, but for the time being , everyone in the premium section needs to buck there ideas up. Us , the premium members slowly let it die , the leechers and the leakers flawed us , and not alot was done to prevent it or protect us. The other day I made a recommendation for 'post to view' (you have to reply to a topic and then you can see the content) then some mod goes 'its an elite feature' Thats bullshit , complete and utter crap right there ! Why cant that be released to the whole forum. Nevertheless, Its a shame to see this go, I got premium for free as I paid como vbux , and he donated for me . It's been nice , and im not going to get elite as its a monthly thing.. I dont really like that idea. Thanks for reading guys.

What ever staff member changed it is a fucking mong seriously.

I would also like to add how fucking stupid the admin who thinks they can take legal action over someone leaking from elite.....

Also i would like to add elite is a shit money making idea... after 2 months when no one else will buy it as they realised its shit it will be gone... as outsider wont be making enough money from it

Now it's just a forum that you used to know :carling:

Sorry, ha, that was the first thing that came to mind.

But I agree, originality/innovation is what makes a great sight, not following others.

Still seems like ALL the content that is making up Elite, could've just been used to REVAMP Premium, and the donations would've shot back up to what they once were, and exceeded. No need for a new service. Multiple birds would've been killed off using this method.

Premium is dying - Fixed using the above.
There's not enough donations - fixed using the above.


I see alot of good points here in this thread. I see censorship on NGU alot too, which is a shame. Never used to be that way except in extreme cases. I am Anti-Elite. I don't think it was a good idea to implement. Good concept, poorly executed. Should've took everything that composes Elite and revamped Premium with it. Premium members have been calling for a revamp for quite a while, with Staff's response "Provide the content yourselves. That's what the point of this section is." I agree with this, ON THE SAME HAND THOUGH, all those nice little account features and shit like that, could've been given to us to revamp this section and usergroup.

Shit half of those features would've sufficed.

I also agree on the username colors. Looks like a gay pride (I'm pro-gay btw) fest going on here. People getting their names as close to if not the same as staff colors as possible. For a new member it's confusing and hard to get a grasp on what's going on, and who is who. The username colors were a bad idea IMO. At LEAST stop them from appearing in the shoutbox like that. Posts is fine, and on profiles is fine because the userbars denote who is who. The shoutbox, bad idea IMO.

I hear Elite has their own shoutbox too. I remember prem's calling for their own as well. Imagine that.


I suppose do what you have to do, but people are going to have opinions, and these are mine. There's no sense in fighting it. It's here to stay and Premium will slowly start to die off. I don't intend to purchase Elite. I only ever bought one, and it was a waste of money. Thanks COD.


I can't say much in the way of how the site has progressed, because it's changed more in the last 8 months than in the last 2 years. Whatever opinions I bring to the table will most likely be rebuttled with STFU Cryptic you're not even active anymore.

To which this is true, and I contemplate my activity here. When I was very very active, I loved the site. Loved my time here, and everyone. This was THE place to be if you wanted to be in the know about COD and wanted the latest everything. Then I slowly faded away. I have a past here that is questionable, actions to which I am not proud of, and bridges that were burnt down long ago. I do want to redeem myself, and become active again, however that is a long road to tow.

That said, my opinions on Elite stand firm.