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You know, an aspect of society today that I notice is tremendously lacking is in ACCOUNTABILITY. Men/Women/People want to do what they want to do, and not be held accountable to anything, anymore. We're so quick to talk fast, or have an exit strategy, or blame someone else. I'm not a religious nut, and (for the most part) what a woman does with her body is her business. However, when you're EASILY able to "right your mistake" when an unborn human life is at stake, then...I draw the line. The kid (I don't care what stage of pregnancy you're talking about) didn't have a choice. Those two individuals did, though. Time to grow up, I say...

Why do you consider a foetus to be a person? And even if I grant you that, what gives the foetus the right to forcefully live off of the mother in a parasitic manner for nine months?

If the foetus doesn't have person-hood, abortion is fine. If it does, then by that last sentence above, it's fine too, right?

Hey, what are you talking about, "forcefully live off of the mother in a parasitic manner for nine months"? This isn't SPECIES 3 or something, we're talking about human life! "Forcefully live off of the mother in a parasitic manner...", lol.

You know what that comment reminds me of? You ever seen on youtube videos where a computer robot is re-enacting the audio of a movie scene or music video? That's INSTANTLY what I thought about when I read that...D=

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Also, not to disrespect you Clutch Hunterr or anyone else but...alot of your point of views are not what I'd call..."normal life" point of views. What I mean is, I can't imagine anyone that has ever held a child or been looked at by a young kid as being a form of inspiration/guidance of some sort would look at a fetus/embryo/undeveloped child/whatever as being..."parasitic". Like, totally emotionless, absolutely logical (DATA from Star Trek, much?). I just can't relate to that...

It's factual. The foetus feeds off of the mother without consent, and makes the mother's life hell for around nine months until it's popped out, and even then the mother can die in childbirth. Frankly it's emotionless to feel like you should force millions of women to go through that.

Way of life.

possibly one of the hardest questions to answer imo. For all i know that child im aborting could be the next einstein, and revolutionise the world, not to say that makes the child any more important. But at the same time, how can someone who is young and still trying to get off the ground be expected to look after a child which is a full time job.

It is truly a hard question....

Absolutely!




Clutch...My feeling is that you used parasite, merely for sensationalistic purposes.
And as you were quick to point out with my "commonly accepted" use of the word "theory" in another debate.

I am going to assume that you are using parasite in its original format.

As we all know... LOL... parasite derives from the Latin & Greek parisitos "one who lives at another's expense"...

Because if you are using the scientific term of parasite... then you and I both know that you are wrong in its usage here.
And with my forged BioEngineering degree... even I can claim the 3 defined parasitic relationships.

Endo-parasitic, Cellular-parasitic and Social parasitic.

ALL of which are defined by a genetically DIFFERENT species inhabiting a host.
So... being a foetus... with the same genetic makeup as the host... would instantly disqualify it as a parasite.

So that being solved... and not being able to be debated using ANY sort of scientific debate... we can move on to the original definition of parasite.


Parasitos... sycophant... sponger... leecher (not the literal definition)
The basic terminology, all represents a relationship in which one is being used by the other in a detrimental fashion.
There is no mutual benefit.

Is a baby harmful to its mother...
Morning sickness, the requirement for additional nutrition, RH- complications... and a variety of other possible medical complications would say that being pregnant could be harmful to the mother.

But does this make a baby a parasite?

Certainly not by my opinion.
Nor should it be for you either.

You being a person who firmly stands by science... then would you not naturally think that the continuence of the species speaks louder than the safety of the individual?
How would the grand human race remain in existence if the genes were not passed on to the next generation.
And the most important scientific premise of ALL.... natural selection.
The strong survive.... the weak perish... so that the most fit of all biological makeups continue to exist.
Therefore... by that logic... "who cares what danger the host might endure" because it is the survival of the species that is paramount to the individual.

Parasite... be damned... I am convinced... that you used the word simply to throw a little gas on the floor to see who would drop a match.

Because any scientifically resolved mind (as you claim to be) would know full well... that a parasite, is by scientific definition almost always fatal to its host, and of a differing genetic makeup.
A parasite by original definition is something which derives its gain, by others loss.

A baby... which has been carried to term... typically brings nothing but benefit to its parents (whether biological or adopted)...
And from a scientific point of view... the mother's genetic blueprint is 100% before birth, and 150% after birth... hers and half of hers in another being. This is obviously a beneficial relationship.

My views on this whole thread are thus:
It is complicated.

In the case of rape... it is very difficult to expect somebody to live and feel that shame/violation for 9 months.
But what if good could come from this heinous/odious act? What if that baby grew to have the cure for cancer?
Or it might be the next Hitler?
Is it not better to let the natural course of life take its course, rather than the un-natural act of abortion?
And... before you spew ANY facts on animals having abortions... this is un-substantiated. Eating penny royal, chamomile in some species of animal is also attributed to environmental hazards/stresses... not the willful act of abortion... self-preservation is NOT the same motive as abortion.

All that to say... I do not believe that we have the right to tell a woman what she should do with her body... in THIS and ONLY THIS instance.

I think a foetus is a human being... right from the moment of inception.... (and yes... you WILL argue this one... which is why I made a point of including it)

But I completely disagree... with getting drunk... forgetting the birth control, and regretting it later.
Easy for me to say right... I am a man... but therein lies the real problem... maybe men should be made to take more responsibility for their part in the whole thing.
9 months... is not really that long in the grand scheme of things... to live out your mistake... hand the baby over, and let somebody more capable raise a child.
There are literally thousands of capable people yearning to be able to adopt a child.

Uh, Porn will never die. Way of life. Humans are freaks/animals you cannot rid them of their animalistic behavior, it is in their nature to have sex manically, which is why we have things like birth control, so they do not multiply retardedly. Humans must learn to maintain themselves and remain under control, but maintaining themselves is a high bar. You may need to learn more about the world, because sex education wont do shit, you have people involved with the porn industry educated in sex, many who are educated in sex, yet still encourage it as something you want to do constantly with nothing to hold back with. I think GDP said it best in another post "Fuck it, lets all have sex with whoever we want as much as we want!" Or something along those lines. Talk to as many women as you want, you will find that they like sex as much as you do, and will do what they have to to get it easily.



TMTR but i browsed through it in the best way i could, i agree with this guy. Who cares how clutch is using the word, regardless its a bad word to use for a baby and for a heterosexual man who may/may not want to have children. But if adopt clutch's mentality, then all humans are parasites, all humans are leechers, therefore we cannot share things, or give things equally, therefore we are divided and are takers/aggressive/ the list goes on. Either way, clutch is stating that a baby is possibly a bad thing, nobody ever said that a new life comes for free roflmao everything has a cost, and the baby is taking that cost the moment the couple decides to pay the price. You dont have to have sex you know, but it is a requirement and you may go mad from not doing such.