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sorry i disagree if your wife, girlfriend, sister, mother, were raped and she got pregnant would you want her to have that unconsented baby that wasn't your choice to have? I think there are only certain cases were abortion should happen.I think it would be really hard to look at your child and see your rapist at the same time. Yes I understand its not the baby's fault but it also isn't the mothers fault ether so really who is write who is wrong ? Or maybe 2 wrongs do make a right...

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i can agree with adoption but there are cases were a mother could possibly die from having a child. what do you do ?

That's not even a proper answer. Responding to my original post, what does 'way of life' mean exactly?



'Life' is a fuzzy word people use in these debates that is wholly illogical. Ants, for example, are life and yet for valid reasons nobody gives a * about them.



Quit trying to score an easy point over me. I've already said in this very thread that I'm aware that by definition it isn't parasitic, it only is in nature.



It's the ethicality that's relevant here, evidently.



We're approximately seven billion in strength and that number will only grow to the extent that it becomes a weakness.

If hypothetically there's a nuclear holocaust and a few thousand survive, then sure, for the sake of the human race I can just about accept that reasoning, but we're not at any risk of extinction by those means at all.



That's a misconception about natural selection, but moving on...



Yet another baseless, petty insult to add to the collection you've hurled at me this week. Yay for me.



Given that we've determined (or rather I have) that 'survival' is of little importance in today's society, I have to wholly disagree. The mother has to put up with nine months of pregnancy, the pain of child labour and then, assuming she didn't die giving birth to the child, she'll have to devote around two decades of attention and monetary resources to the child come adult. If you want a kid and you think it's worth it then that's fine, but there are plenty of people who don't see that as worth it, and trying to force them to have kids they don't want is beyond despicable.



Who the f*ck cares about naturality? The clothes we wear and the computers we're using are not natural, and yet we use them. Why? Because we don't care about naturality!

'Natural' is the second buzzword of this block of quotes. It's another word any intellectually sound person should avoid.



Yes, and to those thousands of willing parents there are tens of thousands of kids already up for adoption who either never get adopted or never adapt to the surroundings they're placed in. I've said it in this thread before and I'm saying it again - adoption is not a viable option.



That's not logic. Abortion is essentially protection against having a kid, just like a life jacket is protection against drowning. Obviously that's only valid if we can agree that there's nothing unethical/immoral about abortion, but I'm still actively arguing that point.

I clearly never said all humans are parasites, you're jumping to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions.

Sometimes, with you two and GDP also, lately, I feel like I've been debating with very obstinate children. You all go off on ridiculously unrelated tangents and because of that arrive at, by the end of the drearily long post, the conclusion that you're right. It utterly baffles me and I'm thinking more and more that I'm being trolled.

You call me a child when you compare a life jacket to an operation? Wtf? There's this thing called a condom, you use it, and it works 99 percent of the time. Ever heard of it? How can you be heterosexual and not hear of it, its like the most important device we have today to prevent children from being born and STD's from being transmitted.

By the way the answer to my previous post was in your post.

It's a way of life for people to leech off each other in order to secure themselves life as well. Hmm... actually theres a sort of science about this i believe, but i dont study that so i wouldnt know. But anyway, everything has a cost and blah blah blah... I wish i could call everyone who doesnt agree with me an idiot/troll/child. It would make my arguments a lot easier to deal with in life, but i suppose its not that easy seeing as i have people who disagree with me 24/7.

Not logic you say? There are plenty of other preventative devices that could be used to avoid having a kid, namely the best one we have at the moment is abstinence. Its called having sex with the ones you love not the ones you like, but hey whatever lols. Things like abortion didnt even exist for a time, and it was hard to raise kids etc, it still is hard but... eh.

Yeah there are a lot of problems with human reproduction and humans in general but we're getting there. I just wish that they wouldnt push forward with lab children so forcefully, theres just something off about having a child born from a test tube.... just isnt... hmm i feel like it doesnt have much etiquette. I mean if you want a specific kind of child why dont you just go find a specific kind of guy? What happened to the damn bonding experience? All that jazz? I tell you this world is just obscene.

Who knows if abortion is ethical or unethical? And who cares? As long as its used for a good reason then its not wasteful. Actually, i believe it should only be offered in certain situations, and if the couple is able to fully take care of the kid/s then why not? What would make someone want to not have a kid when they went through all the effort to have sex in the first place? What the hell man? You have people who try so hard to conceive a child, but they cant because of fertility /other issues... its just not right. People not taking advantage of what others have, its like a sin in itself. Greedy bastards.

Ah I won't even bother then.
Had I realized earlier that my diatribes would trigger some persecution complex in you... I would have ceased a long time ago.

I sincerely apologize if what I have said may have in ANY way offended you.

As far as being a troll... you have looked at my posts... so you should be aware that I spend the majority of my time assisting people in the PS3 trophy section. And only until recently even bothered to see what else NGU has in the forums.

I have far more important things to do in my life of value... than to try and score some easy points with somebody that I don't know, amongst total strangers...
I merely thought the point of creating this thread was to incite some type of conversation... and I thought by participating in the conversation, I was contributing... did not realize that was problematic.

Anyways... wish you the best in life!

@ Clutch Hunterr:

Trolled? Me? My word, I would never...I don't even know who he is, for Pete's sake! And I want to tell you something right now, Clutch, and this is coming from the heart: If the doctor were to of have asked me who to abort, either you or a troll, I would say to the doctor emphatically, "ABORT THE TROLL! He's a parasite, and the population needs to decrease anyway! And...he looks like he'll grow up to be a straight man! Absolutely nothing about the Troll helps with The Cause! Delete, Delete, Delete!" :y: (That's my Nintendo Seal of Approval, by the way)



Look, forget about naked babies and how many there are. We need to to go out to a bar one of these days, throw a couple back, debate on who's coming out of the Western Conference, and if you would pay Hannah Davis to sit in your living room and snap her fingers all day, like she does in those Direct TV commercials:

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GDamnit. That woman is so EFFin' HOT. Derek Jeter scores another one. The lucky S.O.B...>:<

On topic: my thing was just that...you are who you are, period. You don't have to make apologies for that (not to me, anyway). It's just that, when you say things like "population control", or "babies/parasites" in the same paragraphs, the degree of human apathy (not RATIONALE, mind you) seems to be SORELY LACKING. I don't know, I have some pretty ostracized from mainstream points-of-view on some things but...*YIKES!*...some of the stuff you say (again, not debating whether you're RIGHT or WRONG) is...*YIKES!*

And like Gandalf1969 had mentioned in his previous post (extremely classy, by the way), we're just debating, no big deal. We have our different points of views that are formed from our different walks of life, the way it is. But...if you'd prefer me to not go into any more debates where I quote you or addressing something specifically towards you, that's alright, also. I can do that, no problem.

You have to do ME a favor first, though.

You have to tell me, right here, right now, that you don't want to/can't stand to hear/aren't accepting of my opinions anymore, because...it stresses you out. Or whatever the reason. But say it. Not in a private message, not to others to tell me, but RIGHT IN MY FACE (well... ). In other words, show me your BALLS, to tell it to me JUST LIKE IT IS. If that indeed is the case, mind you...

And just like that, I'll be out of your hair...

We're at an impasse but I appreciate your position, fair enough.



Condoms can break. Even then, the availability or lack thereof of condoms should be completely irrelevant to the validity of my point.



There's a difference between biological leeching and societal leeching. The latter is infinitely less problematic from an ethical perspective.



Why should people stop having sex if abortion is a valid option, hmm? That's pretty much what I'm arguing for. Before anyone will bother with abstinence you need to demonstrate that abortion is in fact immoral, otherwise you've no right to tell others what (not) to do.



Who cares? People who want abortions but can't because of people trying to criminalize it.

Most people don't have sex for procreation, they do it for, in a word, pleasure.



Persecution complex... brilliant. I think it's just that there's been near to no serious disagreement in this section with me that's lasted this long for a while, then all of a sudden three of you pop up with similar viewpoints and similar tendencies to go off topic and post, yet again in this quote might I add, petty insults towards me. You're probably not trolls, in which case it's quite a coincidence.



Frustrated is a more accurate word, but that's fine.



Yeah, you're probably not a troll, but I've already explained that. Bye, I guess.



No.

You don't need to make abortion seem like something so bad that it isnt used at all. I'm just saying that people don't need to have sex all willy nilly when they arent in a financial situation to be having kids. Ok, pleasure is good, but running out of food in a household and having a kid sent to an orphanage isnt.

Hell people shouldnt even be having sex unless they can raise a kid, at least thats how it used to be anyway. But just because abortion exists doesnt mean that it should be outlawed or that people can just screw different people at once. In fact if abortion were outlawed to a very high extent, would that really effect child birth rate? Well? Would it? You got plenty of people who don't care either way. You'll still have broken families with or without abortion, and responsibility still falls on the parents. Its not unethical to say that having sex with no intention of having children is immoral unless wearing a condom or using birth control/etc. There are many options to prevent kids from being born, easiest is maintaining how much sex you have and who you have it with. I didn't mean completely abstaining from sex, i believed only religious people do that, or people who have some sort of spiritual or personal reason abstain from it.

Funny thing, most religious people still have sex anyway, so it doesnt mean jack shit.

I support abortion, it's your choice if you want a child.
If rules were changed then underground clinics where I punch women in the stomach would open and nobody wants that!