Post: Abortion.
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02-06-2013, 04:08 PM
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03-11-2013, 06:36 PM
#56
Jakes625
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Originally posted by Clutch
We're at an impasse but I appreciate your position, fair enough.
Condoms can break. Even then, the availability or lack thereof of condoms should be completely irrelevant to the validity of my point.
There's a difference between biological leeching and societal leeching. The latter is infinitely less problematic from an ethical perspective.
Why should people stop having sex if abortion is a valid option, hmm? That's pretty much what I'm arguing for. Before anyone will bother with abstinence you need to demonstrate that abortion is in fact immoral, otherwise you've no right to tell others what (not) to do.
Who cares? People who want abortions but can't because of people trying to criminalize it.
Most people don't have sex for procreation, they do it for, in a word, pleasure.
Persecution complex... brilliant. I think it's just that there's been near to no serious disagreement in this section with me that's lasted this long for a while, then all of a sudden three of you pop up with similar viewpoints and similar tendencies to go off topic and post, yet again in this quote might I add, petty insults towards me. You're probably not trolls, in which case it's quite a coincidence.
Frustrated is a more accurate word, but that's fine.
Yeah, you're probably not a troll, but I've already explained that. Bye, I guess.
No.
Condoms can break. Even then, the availability or lack thereof of condoms should be completely irrelevant to the validity of my point.
There's a difference between biological leeching and societal leeching. The latter is infinitely less problematic from an ethical perspective.
Why should people stop having sex if abortion is a valid option, hmm? That's pretty much what I'm arguing for. Before anyone will bother with abstinence you need to demonstrate that abortion is in fact immoral, otherwise you've no right to tell others what (not) to do.
Who cares? People who want abortions but can't because of people trying to criminalize it.
Most people don't have sex for procreation, they do it for, in a word, pleasure.
Persecution complex... brilliant. I think it's just that there's been near to no serious disagreement in this section with me that's lasted this long for a while, then all of a sudden three of you pop up with similar viewpoints and similar tendencies to go off topic and post, yet again in this quote might I add, petty insults towards me. You're probably not trolls, in which case it's quite a coincidence.
Frustrated is a more accurate word, but that's fine.
Yeah, you're probably not a troll, but I've already explained that. Bye, I guess.
No.
fair enough as well. btw I appreciate the strength you have to reply to all these messages. It would take me ages xD
03-11-2013, 06:49 PM
#57
Warlockplayer19
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03-12-2013, 11:21 AM
#58
Originally posted by Keomo
You don't need to make abortion seem like something so bad that it isnt used at all. I'm just saying that people don't need to have sex all willy nilly when they arent in a financial situation to be having kids. Ok, pleasure is good, but running out of food in a household and having a kid sent to an orphanage isnt.
Hell people shouldnt even be having sex unless they can raise a kid, at least thats how it used to be anyway. But just because abortion exists doesnt mean that it should be outlawed or that people can just screw different people at once. In fact if abortion were outlawed to a very high extent, would that really effect child birth rate? Well? Would it? You got plenty of people who don't care either way. You'll still have broken families with or without abortion, and responsibility still falls on the parents. Its not unethical to say that having sex with no intention of having children is immoral unless wearing a condom or using birth control/etc. There are many options to prevent kids from being born, easiest is maintaining how much sex you have and who you have it with. I didn't mean completely abstaining from sex, i believed only religious people do that, or people who have some sort of spiritual or personal reason abstain from it.
Funny thing, most religious people still have sex anyway, so it doesnt mean jack shit.
Hell people shouldnt even be having sex unless they can raise a kid, at least thats how it used to be anyway. But just because abortion exists doesnt mean that it should be outlawed or that people can just screw different people at once. In fact if abortion were outlawed to a very high extent, would that really effect child birth rate? Well? Would it? You got plenty of people who don't care either way. You'll still have broken families with or without abortion, and responsibility still falls on the parents. Its not unethical to say that having sex with no intention of having children is immoral unless wearing a condom or using birth control/etc. There are many options to prevent kids from being born, easiest is maintaining how much sex you have and who you have it with. I didn't mean completely abstaining from sex, i believed only religious people do that, or people who have some sort of spiritual or personal reason abstain from it.
Funny thing, most religious people still have sex anyway, so it doesnt mean jack shit.
Stop telling people not to have sex - sexuality is a big part of our society now whether you like it or not.
Originally posted by Team
If you can't afford a child don't have sex. Easy as that. If you want to have sex have the girl take birth control or wear a condom and pull out. Not that hard.
This is not a reason not to have sex and subsequently, if necessary, an abortion too. This only becomes a viable option once you've demonstrated that abortion is immoral and should be outlawed, and you've yet to do that.
03-14-2013, 11:44 PM
#59
dapreacher23
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by REAPERXx
sorry i disagree if your wife, girlfriend, sister, mother, were raped and she got pregnant would you want her to have that unconsented baby that wasn't your choice to have? I think there are only certain cases were abortion should happen.I think it would be really hard to look at your child and see your rapist at the same time. Yes I understand its not the baby's fault but it also isn't the mothers fault ether so really who is write who is wrong ? Or maybe 2 wrongs do make a right...
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i can agree with adoption but there are cases were a mother could possibly die from having a child. what do you do ?
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i can agree with adoption but there are cases were a mother could possibly die from having a child. what do you do ?
I wouldnt kill the baby for any reason. We would have to live with the sins of the father. If you look at rape its such a very low percentage. More teen girls are at these clinics because they make stupid mistakes and dont want a baby "ruining" their lives. Plus the abortion clinics are a business and their customers are these girls who make poor decisions.
03-15-2013, 06:37 PM
#60
Warlockplayer19
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03-20-2013, 12:17 PM
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03-20-2013, 04:20 PM
#62
Gambler
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Originally posted by Clutch
Are you 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'? Whichever you are, why?
I'm 100% for it. I remember somebody saying it doesn't have a soul until it's born. I just think of it like that. Kind of fucked up, but I mean.. It's her body, she could kill it herself if she really wanted too.
03-30-2013, 09:05 PM
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