Post: My exact take on religion
03-25-2013, 01:23 AM #1
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I grew up going to southern Baptist churches. At one time I believed in the whole Christian thing around age 10. Now I don’t. 1st I do believe in God. Too many unbelievable complex things going on in our every day lives to not believe. Plus I have had some unique experiences that would suggest God is real and listening to our prayers and looking out for us.

The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.

Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.

God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.

I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!

I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.

Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
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04-03-2013, 07:51 PM #47
Joey Essex
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Religion is bullshit and everyone that believes in it are deluded fuck heads
04-03-2013, 08:20 PM #48
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Originally posted by Jake View Post
Isn't the easiest way to find that out if you explain what is your interpretation of it is haha?


I'm not trying to start an argument, but why would i respect someone who is religious because their parents are? My parents could be addicted to crack, or help the homeless at a shelter. At no point does this mean i 'should' or am 'inclined' to copy what they do. I cannot respect someone who only follows a religion because they are told to, or because their parents, or neighbourhood do. You have to know all the facts and then decide for yourself, if my parents ever tried to push religion on me id move out. Or as i did when i was younger, id just not follow it. Its not being disrespectful to your parents, its having a mind of your own.
04-03-2013, 09:52 PM #49
Originally posted by Jake View Post
Isn't the easiest way to find that out if you explain what is your interpretation of it is haha?


Wikipedia's opening line on the word sums up where I am with this:

Originally posted by another user
Respect is a positive feeling of esteem or deference for a person or other entity...


I don't respect or disrespect people by default, I'm indifferent towards them. If they do good things, they earn my respect. If they do bad things, they gain only disrespect. I know the wording sounds incredibly high and mighty, but I can't think of another way to word it.
04-03-2013, 10:58 PM #50
Jake
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Originally posted by Clutch
Wikipedia's opening line on the word sums up where I am with this:

I don't respect or disrespect people by default, I'm indifferent towards them. If they do good things, they earn my respect. If they do bad things, they gain only disrespect. I know the wording sounds incredibly high and mighty, but I can't think of another way to word it.


So in other words the whole speech about you not respecting people of religion is bullshit because in the same way you don't respect atheists until they 'do good things'?
04-03-2013, 11:27 PM #51
Originally posted by Jake View Post
So in other words the whole speech about you not respecting people of religion is bullshit because in the same way you don't respect atheists until they 'do good things'?


You're misrepresenting what I said. Here's what I actually said:

Originally posted by another user
What exactly about any of the mainstream religious beliefs is worthy of respect?


Clearly I used the word 'beliefs', not 'persons'.

Regardless, I don't respect nor disrespect anyone until I know something more about them than merely their theistic (dis)beliefs. Generally those don't come into it unless they're on the extreme side of the spectrum.

The religious beliefs themselves on the other hand instantly warrant disrespect from me as I perceive them to be unreasonable, irrational and a whole host of other things.
04-04-2013, 05:02 AM #52
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04-04-2013, 05:10 AM #53
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Originally posted by Gambler View Post
he virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity.


Virgin birth is possible from artificial insemination The idea of a virgin woman could be that of a man ejaculating onto her vagina, without penetration. 1 teaspoon of sperm is the average amount a person ejaculates, this contains 300-500 million sperm. Just your pre-cum, which is very small compared to that, is possible to impregnate a girl.

Jesus did not skip from birth to 30, there are stories of him actually not being the best of a child. He was actually a troublemaker. It wasn't until his teens that he matured and began to realize what he had. He had actually, if I am not mistaken, killed a boy and used his powers to revive him during his youth.

Originally posted by Gambler View Post
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well


God man Adam and Lillith. Lillith rejected the idea of being equal to man. Lillith became nothing to god. God pulled the rib from Adam and created Eve. Eve, a woman, is now made from man. Man is now above women. There is no Apple, the Apple is just a suggestive translation. It could be anything.

There is also a lot of words in the bible that have been translated that actually can mean other things and just the small change in wording would make an entirely different statement. That's why only those who can read in Hebrew and read it properly will understand the true meaning of the bible. Anyone basing their beliefs off a translation is believing in something similar to the "word of god" but in truth, it isn't the true "word of god".

There is also a lot missing from the bible.

BTW, Agnostic here.
04-04-2013, 08:13 AM #54
Jake
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Originally posted by Clutch
You're misrepresenting what I said. Here's what I actually said:

What exactly about any of the mainstream religious beliefs is worthy of respect?
Clearly I used the word 'beliefs', not 'persons'.

Regardless, I don't respect nor disrespect anyone until I know something more about them than merely their theistic (dis)beliefs. Generally those don't come into it unless they're on the extreme side of the spectrum.

The religious beliefs themselves on the other hand instantly warrant disrespect from me as I perceive them to be unreasonable, irrational and a whole host of other things.


You're skipping around the issue here, how are you intending on disrespecting religious beliefs without disrespecting the person in question?
04-04-2013, 08:22 AM #55
Dman93
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Originally posted by Jake View Post
You're skipping around the issue here, how are you intending on disrespecting religious beliefs without disrespecting the person in question?


I don't respect any religious views, but if you say that you can't respect the person is saying that their religious view are the only thing to respect about them. When this is not true. Just because someone dislikes a specific belief of yours doesn't mean that is the only thing to respect.

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