Post: My exact take on religion
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03-25-2013, 01:23 AM
#1
Gambler
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The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.
Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.
I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!
I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.
Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
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04-04-2013, 10:07 AM
#56
Redadski
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Originally posted by Gambler
I grew up going to southern Baptist churches. At one time I believed in the whole Christian thing around age 10. Now I don’t. 1st I do believe in God. Too many unbelievable complex things going on in our every day lives to not believe. Plus I have had some unique experiences that would suggest God is real and listening to our prayers and looking out for us.
The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.
Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.
I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!
I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.
Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.
Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.
I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!
I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.
Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
Believe me and read the Quran it will definitly awnser all your arguments.
About the birth of jezus the years between baby an 30 an much much more.
The Quran also say God is 1 an not 3.
Jezus was a prophet of God an will return soon.
Dont judge a book by a cover.
An the cover portrait by western society is a monstres lie.
Hope you will read it an free your mind from all the lies being told.
---------- Post added at 05:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 AM ----------
Originally posted by Under
oh ok, i have blind faith? im not the one who makes up answers simply because i cant understand something. religion is lazy, for people who cant be bothered to search for an answer. and yes, you are ignorant. i am far more inclined to believe something which has thousands of fossils, reports etc. written by many different scientists, than some 'fairytale' someone made up years ago to try and cmfort the idiots in society. So yes, you are ignorant. and no im not, im logical. Im sorry for believing something which actually has a valid explanation and evidence to accompany it.
LOL ok your logical right haha.
Well the place your at right know look around you an look at al the stuff thats there.
Everything around you is made by sum1 right an it did not miraculously appear right?
Well how in Gods name can u explain to me how the earth the univers gravity stars moon sun mountains water oxygen appeard?MIRACULOUSLY?
Nothing creates itself bro so your logic is totally messed up!
An the big bang lol well my anwser is if there was nothing in the first place how can it become sumthing?
An if there was nothing an a explosion came along whats the source/energie/(GODDDD!!!!!) that light the fuze?
Im eager to see what logic you come with know.
04-04-2013, 11:40 AM
#57
Originally posted by Jake
You're skipping around the issue here, how are you intending on disrespecting religious beliefs without disrespecting the person in question?
Here's Wikipedia's definition of respect again:
Originally posted by another user
Respect is a positive feeling of esteem or deference for a person or other entity...
I (dis)respect another entity, in this case the belief.
Another example is that I respect humanitarianism. Respect can be afforded to things other than people, or at least it can with the definition I use.
I feel like you're really just arguing semantics here. [/COLOR]
04-04-2013, 12:29 PM
#58
Jake
One Man Army
Originally posted by Clutch
Here's Wikipedia's definition of respect again:
Respect is a positive feeling of esteem or deference for a person or other entity...
I (dis)respect another entity, in this case the belief.
Another example is that I respect humanitarianism. Respect can be afforded to things other than people, or at least it can with the definition I use.
I feel like you're really just arguing semantics here.
Respect is a positive feeling of esteem or deference for a person or other entity...
I (dis)respect another entity, in this case the belief.
Another example is that I respect humanitarianism. Respect can be afforded to things other than people, or at least it can with the definition I use.
I feel like you're really just arguing semantics here.
You can't deny that in this post you were insinuating you refuse to respect a person if they believe in 'mainstream religions': You must login or register to view this content.
04-04-2013, 12:40 PM
#59
boss10000
Like A.....
Originally posted by Redadski
Believe me and read the Quran it will definitly awnser all your arguments.
About the birth of jezus the years between baby an 30 an much much more.
The Quran also say God is 1 an not 3.
Jezus was a prophet of God an will return soon.
Dont judge a book by a cover.
An the cover portrait by western society is a monstres lie.
Hope you will read it an free your mind from all the lies being told.
---------- Post added at 05:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 AM ----------
LOL ok your logical right haha.
Well the place your at right know look around you an look at al the stuff thats there.
Everything around you is made by sum1 right an it did not miraculously appear right?
Well how in Gods name can u explain to me how the earth the univers gravity stars moon sun mountains water oxygen appeard?MIRACULOUSLY?
Nothing creates itself bro so your logic is totally messed up!
An the big bang lol well my anwser is if there was nothing in the first place how can it become sumthing?
An if there was nothing an a explosion came along whats the source/energie/(GODDDD!!!!!) that light the fuze?
I'm eager to see what logic you come with know.
About the birth of jezus the years between baby an 30 an much much more.
The Quran also say God is 1 an not 3.
Jezus was a prophet of God an will return soon.
Dont judge a book by a cover.
An the cover portrait by western society is a monstres lie.
Hope you will read it an free your mind from all the lies being told.
---------- Post added at 05:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 AM ----------
LOL ok your logical right haha.
Well the place your at right know look around you an look at al the stuff thats there.
Everything around you is made by sum1 right an it did not miraculously appear right?
Well how in Gods name can u explain to me how the earth the univers gravity stars moon sun mountains water oxygen appeard?MIRACULOUSLY?
Nothing creates itself bro so your logic is totally messed up!
An the big bang lol well my anwser is if there was nothing in the first place how can it become sumthing?
An if there was nothing an a explosion came along whats the source/energie/(GODDDD!!!!!) that light the fuze?
I'm eager to see what logic you come with know.
1) Then who created god then if nothing can just appear?
2) we don't know what caused the big band, so for all we know there was something before that was destroyed by the big bang, for all we know it could have been another intelligent race that was doing an experiment (maybe like CERN) and accidenterly caused the big bang.
Also if you follow the theory that for everything that can happen will happen, so it's completely possible that their are an infinite number of universes where everything can be different, gravity is backwards etc, laws of physics are different. So it makes sense that if everything that can happen then if life can happen then it will happen and thus the reason we are on earth is cause it could meet all the requirements of life, so the reason man exists on earth and live in a universe that works is cause it was possible in this universe for that to happen, so it did happen.
04-05-2013, 04:02 PM
#61
Redadski
< ^ > < ^ >
Originally posted by boss10000
1) Then who created god then if nothing can just appear?
2) we don't know what caused the big band, so for all we know there was something before that was destroyed by the big bang, for all we know it could have been another intelligent race that was doing an experiment (maybe like CERN) and accidenterly caused the big bang.
Also if you follow the theory that for everything that can happen will happen, so it's completely possible that their are an infinite number of universes where everything can be different, gravity is backwards etc, laws of physics are different. So it makes sense that if everything that can happen then if life can happen then it will happen and thus the reason we are on earth is cause it could meet all the requirements of life, so the reason man exists on earth and live in a universe that works is cause it was possible in this universe for that to happen, so it did happen.
2) we don't know what caused the big band, so for all we know there was something before that was destroyed by the big bang, for all we know it could have been another intelligent race that was doing an experiment (maybe like CERN) and accidenterly caused the big bang.
Also if you follow the theory that for everything that can happen will happen, so it's completely possible that their are an infinite number of universes where everything can be different, gravity is backwards etc, laws of physics are different. So it makes sense that if everything that can happen then if life can happen then it will happen and thus the reason we are on earth is cause it could meet all the requirements of life, so the reason man exists on earth and live in a universe that works is cause it was possible in this universe for that to happen, so it did happen.
1.Who made God?
Awnser: First off all its a test for all of us so it wont be a test if u get al the awnsers right buddy?The way your thinking is to naive i think.
Cause that would've been awesome an everyone would believe in God an we would have a very peacefull world without war an hunger.
He tells us (all mankind) in the Quran that he doesnt have parents nor children but doenst tell us were he came from.
Dead an birth is only possible on earth so when we die we while live forever an theres 2 stops Heaven or Hell.
Hope that clears your question.
2.Big(speculation)bang not band (i lol'ed).
Awnser: God sad he was the 1 who created the universe with everything in it.
The weard i assume when u tell what u told is that everything u say is factless.
Everything i say can be read in the Holy Quran.
Which were the prophecies of the propfet Muhammed that the angel Gabriel send to him by the orders of the Almighty God.
An our propfet May peace an blessing be upon him was a man that lived in a village an has never travelled an couldnt read nor could he
wright.
Plus i never sad that i believe in a theory that for everything that can happen will happen.
I believe that for everything that happens is a reason and a logical explanation not an illogical speculation.
04-05-2013, 10:53 PM
#63
Jakes625
Guest
Originally posted by Gambler
I grew up going to southern Baptist churches. At one time I believed in the whole Christian thing around age 10. Now I don’t. 1st I do believe in God. Too many unbelievable complex things going on in our every day lives to not believe. Plus I have had some unique experiences that would suggest God is real and listening to our prayers and looking out for us.
The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.
Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.
I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!
I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.
Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
The Bible is full of contradictions and many of the teaching seem more like fables than actual historic events. Jesus brings up a bunch of questions as well. The virgin birth seems a bit out there to me. Why do the stories go from birth and skip to age 30? I do not believe God and Christ were the same. That is possible of course but not realistic. I think Jesus may have lived and taught many of the things quoted in the bible however I think he was just another man not the son of god, the savior or god in the trinity. The people and kings I guess felt threaten and had him killed. That’s what I think in regards to Jesus. God is almighty so why would he need to create a human son from a virgin have him wander around earth for 30 years and then spread the gospel and be crucified for the worlds sins? Plus the integrity of the bible is questionable since it was written by man and has been translated many times over thousands of years. History also shows how religion has been used by man to control the people. I think the bible is a good book full of good lessons to guide us to live better lives.
Adam and Eve and the 6000 year old Earth.
God made man but I really doubt he just made one man Adam and then pulled a rib from him and made Eve. The whole Apple story is a fable as well. Good lesson. Carbon dating is proof the world is older.
I believe there is good and evil in the world. I believe our soul is hard wired to know the difference. That thought you get in your head “This doesn’t seem right” when you are about to do something immoral. Or “This is the right thing to do” when you are about to help someone out. God gives us free will to make a decision either we ignore the feeling(voice in our head) and do the bad deed or we listen to it and do the right thing. Its called our conscience.
I believe in what goes around comes around. If you are a bad person bad things will come back to you and vise versa. Some seemingly good people seem to go through hell and never have good luck. That I don’t understand. God has a reason though. I believe we all have souls separate from our bodies. When our body dies our soul lives on. Heaven to me is a place where you are extremely happy for eternity. Hell is the opposite. I don’t know what gets you to either place. I think living a good life and having a good heart is key. Ruthless self centered evil people probably go to hell. I strongly believe in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Another problem I have with Christians is there belief that all people who do not believe in Christ can not go to heaven simply because you have to enter heaven through Jesus by believing in him. So all no Christian people are going to hell. So all the good people in the world that are non Christians are going to hell. God is much bigger than that.
Judging other people.
Thou shalt not judge. How many self proclaimed Christians do this? You know the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? A Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store and the Baptist will not!
I don’t believe in judging other people. Most people that judge others have not looked in the mirror. They may be very surprised if they do. As humans we have too many of our own issues to work out rather than looking down on other peoples issues and actions.
Now some things like robbery, rape and murder are different stories. I do look down on and Judge people who commit crimes such as these. I also look down on hypocrites.
EDIT: I don't believe in any current religion.
I am a satanist.
but yeah religion is a bunch of bull**** lol.
04-06-2013, 06:54 AM
#64
Under Alts Bed
x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Originally posted by Redadski
Believe me and read the Quran it will definitly awnser all your arguments.
About the birth of jezus the years between baby an 30 an much much more.
The Quran also say God is 1 an not 3.
Jezus was a prophet of God an will return soon.
Dont judge a book by a cover.
An the cover portrait by western society is a monstres lie.
Hope you will read it an free your mind from all the lies being told.
---------- Post added at 05:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 AM ----------
LOL ok your logical right haha.
Well the place your at right know look around you an look at al the stuff thats there.
Everything around you is made by sum1 right an it did not miraculously appear right?
Well how in Gods name can u explain to me how the earth the univers gravity stars moon sun mountains water oxygen appeard?MIRACULOUSLY?
Nothing creates itself bro so your logic is totally messed up!
An the big bang lol well my anwser is if there was nothing in the first place how can it become sumthing?
An if there was nothing an a explosion came along whats the source/energie/(GODDDD!!!!!) that light the fuze?
Im eager to see what logic you come with know.
About the birth of jezus the years between baby an 30 an much much more.
The Quran also say God is 1 an not 3.
Jezus was a prophet of God an will return soon.
Dont judge a book by a cover.
An the cover portrait by western society is a monstres lie.
Hope you will read it an free your mind from all the lies being told.
---------- Post added at 05:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 AM ----------
LOL ok your logical right haha.
Well the place your at right know look around you an look at al the stuff thats there.
Everything around you is made by sum1 right an it did not miraculously appear right?
Well how in Gods name can u explain to me how the earth the univers gravity stars moon sun mountains water oxygen appeard?MIRACULOUSLY?
Nothing creates itself bro so your logic is totally messed up!
An the big bang lol well my anwser is if there was nothing in the first place how can it become sumthing?
An if there was nothing an a explosion came along whats the source/energie/(GODDDD!!!!!) that light the fuze?
Im eager to see what logic you come with know.
ok so. To start with, please spell properly, and reread what you're posting. The content is bad enough, without me having to try and unscramble, misspelt jibberish.
To the point. Everything is here right now because the big bang happened. How exactly it happened i dont know. No one does, and it is unlikely that we ever will. However, this does not mean i need to make something up as an answer. I can use your own argument against you, something isnt just there, so how can God just be there? what made god. Your answer will be that god is eternal, infinite. But its just not a good enough answer. I could say it was a giant snowman, not god who did it. and you could not prove me wrong. Nor could i prove myself right.
This is the exact problem with religion. its wrong, everyone knows it is, but until it can be proven wrong, there are always the nuts and the trolls who will say otherwise...
And actually no, the universe wasnt a miraculous event, in fact it was always going to happen. If you have a 0.00000000000000000000001% chance of something happening, but you have an infinite time scale in which it can happen. Then it will, at some point in that time, it has to happen. Which, suprise surprise, it did.
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