(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sooooo... people living off of the state (and in turn other people). How are we feeling about this?

It must be hard to hold back and say nothing. If that was me and I was able to I'd tell me to fuck off lol (if I wouldn't get fired lol)

I live in England. Here we have a lot of problems as the Conservatives are continuing Labour's plan of limiting benefits by any means necessary - this has resulted in the deaths of many sick and disabled people.

This may just be a philosophical swing, but why should a bit of money be worth more than a person? Why should someone die because the state they were born into, without choice, has chosen to withdraw support?

Being the liberal I am, I am a huge supporter of welfare type systems. I'm perfectly fine with my taxes going to someone else who is unable to supply for themselves. That being said, with systems like this, there are cheaters who don't truly understand reciprocity and only care for themselves. These are lazy bums who are the scum of the Earth and it's really sad. My ex-uncle is one of these type of people, when my aunt divorced him because he was a lazy shit, he decided to cheat the system with an assortment of welfare, unemployment, and disability (not all at once) because he really is that bad. He even said it himself, "Why should I bother working when the government will give me all I need to live?" And it really is sad there are people like that who cheat the system and prevent good people from receiving benefits that can get them out of their bad luck. There needs to be a major re-haul to the American Welfare System. Maybe lessen the years from 5 and possible require constant check-ins or maybe drugs tests because most people who are on welfare decide to spend that money on drugs instead (but then again that's an invasion of privacy so I don't know.) Or possibly you could make them work some type of governmental assigned job (similar to community service.)

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Honestly, Welfare is both good and bad. It's good because it can help many people get a starting point and pick their life up. It can also be bad as many people think that money they are getting is 'free'. It really doesn't provide the incentive the government thinks it does. It pretty much tells people that they are getting free money and don't need to work. That's my take on it.

I leech off my parents. Does that count?

As for the topic, I'm torn between two sides. On one hand, I do support the idea of the government lending a helping hand for those who've had a string of bad luck. However, on the other hand, there are people out there who are taking advantage of the system.

The whole 2 or 5 year limitation does sound nice, but it's taken quite a long time for me to find a job since I graduated college. It's about 4 months now and my resume looks pretty decent. Can't imagine how long it must take for people with less than desirable qualities to find jobs. I just got a decent paying job as the grace period on my student loans are ending, thankfully. Correct me if I'm wrong for thinking this, but if the job market never gets better in the future, 2-3 years in between jobs may be the norm.

People die without welfare or they turn to crime.

Why should the mere ability to live be considered a governmental incentive? Surely that's philosophically wrong?

What they hell are you talking about, people die with welfare and still participate in illegal activities even with it.

All your doing is nurturing and supporting a broken cause. What should be done is offering assistance to the people who want to make a difference with this assistance. You honestly ingenuity think that just by giving people public assistance that they will automatically be able to better their lives? It only keeps them going for a short amount of time, the only way they can make any progressions or improvements is if there is more opportunity where they reside. Money should be used to create more opportunity, but these things are hollow, not really there.

I think giving them two years is more than enough time to find a job. Most people on the dole are on it rather than looking for work because the dole pays more. They're circumstances where you can't get work, but the majority of people should be able to. Look at Spain for instance, 25% of the population is on the welfare bill. That's robbery of the taxpayer. If their is a legit circumstance that someone can't work they should get welfare and that's possibly 1/10 people.