(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sooooo... people living off of the state (and in turn other people). How are we feeling about this?

its wrong when money is just given to junkies to buy smack. but single mothers n that i agree with

What more wrong no support system in place which treats junkies like humans.

More spending does not equate to more jobs. That's some flawed Keynesian logic right there if you really believe that.

You are ignoring the fact that the money you think is being made is really just a fraction of what is being spent on providing welfare to people in the first place. Welfare is a broken system, and reforming it and whatnot is no longer going to be able to save the system. True charity comes by your own hands, not forcing everyone to pay it. No one has a right to your money.

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Sorry Millz but i kind of disagree with you there, you see there is a lot of money being leftover by people who actually work, donations are NOT being made, donations to the economy and the wellness of society, you tackle welfare like its the main problem, its not, it's the human beings who are being given welfare, and the human beings who are NOT being given welfare.

They are both causing an equal amount of problems, there is no "One is right, and one is wrong" argument going on here, its a problem rooted from society itself. No one is spending money on things they believe in, thus no money will be made for the people that believe that they can get work, feed children, save lives, and a bunch of other mundane stuff. Then you get people who want to do stuff like join the army etc etc, earning a living is extremely difficult, its not something that can be done overnight, it takes a lot of effort, work, and hard sweat. I believe that the education system is severely broken, even with all the education in the world, people can't be taught how to cooperate with one another, even with all the religion in the world no one can truly make the sacrifices that count. The contributions that matter. Instead we are left with nothing but Noise.

No one has a right to your money? Is that why its being taken from people who have little money to begin with to contribute to a society that those who created couldn't give two shits about?

Okay, first of all. People have every right to save their money in a bank account, and spend money as they please. They cannot save money eternally and will always have to spend it somewhere, somehow, some way. They cannot save their money eternally. Someone who makes a what I call average salary of $50,000 will pay much much much more than someone who is getting welfare per year of spending. The government will get much more money out of this person in comparison to someone who is receiving welfare. And for your last part, duh the people are the problem. We wouldn't be talking about welfare like this if the government didn't run it and it was restored to other institutions. You act like the people are the problem, when in reality it's both a broken system and people. It's not one or the other, it's both.





At least we can agree that the education system is broken. Government has created this mess by subsidizing education and healthcare. If you think healthcare is expensive just wait until you see what it will cost when it's free, anyways. The point is, if government had stepped out of the public schooling system and allowed there to be competition, we would not be in this mess with every other person needing some form of social security. There will always be people who slip through the cracks, the thing is that in laissez faire government, those who slipped through the cracks would not have slipped because they were unlucky, rather they slip through the cracks because they willingly chose to ignore the education that they must get to get anywhere in their life. This is the root of all of the problems. Education is failing, and we need to stop pumping money into the education system and thinking that it's going to resolve anything, it's not!

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This is all the proof that you need in the world to show you that government subsidized education is not going to fix anything. We need to stop spending so much here, and allow the schools to compete. Allow loans to be given out through the school system and I will guarantee you that in 8 years we will see education costs decreasing, quality of education increasing and less people falling through the cracks.



We are also on the same page here I guess. The best income tax would be to have it at a stable amount for everyone. The income tax is a form of redistribution of wealth, and I am apposed to it. When you run a system where the government writes huge checks to corporations and bails out the losers, there won't be an end to the costs. You cannot sustain that form of government. Just look at where we've been with all this printing of money and bailouts. If we really want to get anything done it's time to stop getting the government spend the money, and allow the people to spend it for themselves and invest to create some real growth instead a series of bubbles which require bailouts every 4 years.

Your ideas are remarkable, but will not be passed and accepted as a bill to any politicians any time soon, they are far too stuck up the ass to try to solve problems at the moment.

Personally i believe that if we had a sort of system where children could get paid to go to school it would encourage them to keep learning, even if the amount was very small, think about it... they could only get paid if they have decent to praiseworthy grades, they would be encouraged to learn and participate in the schools, and there would be positive competition between the students, im sure a few problems might arise... but im trying to consider a way for broken families to help raise a lost or otherwise undirected yet spirited child. Its a shame when the young have their lives ruined due to a lack of activities, and welfare may affect that as well. He who has little to do, will not be prone to do much in their lifetime.

Why are you so bent on having schools compete with each other? The only thing this does is create friction between people and have an enhanced strain on children, what these people should do is encourage and enrich the learning experience first, you expect students to compete with other schools when they have no legitamate reason to do well on tests or even go home safe and study in a safe/quiet environment? What you are asking is impossible. People have problems both at home and at school, the only thing these schools will get in a competitive environment is face for the community that school belongs to, it is wasteful and at the end of the day students will ask themselves "Did i really learn anything?" It will feel like a lackluster experience, oh and dont get me started on the school's food so many things play in this its not even funny, its like the government encourages people to grow up poor or without a job or something....

Plus the media "I became a blah blah blah/record dealer and now im making X amount of money and i didnt even actually get much of an education to get this". When was the last time the media put a scientist on the television and made them look like that was the optimal thing a person should aspire to be? Tell me, when?

They are being advertised by libertarian candidates, so I would not say that no one wants to take them into consideration.



Who is going to provide that money though? Government? Ha! Can't you see the fact that students don't benefit from pumping money into the education system in the first place? Their rewarded in LIFE if they do well in school. If it was on a private level where schools offered to pay their students I would be all for it, since it's not other people's money that is being spent, rather money that they earned themselves. But having the government paying kids to go to school is ridiculous and wrong. It will cost a huge amount of money for the government to start paying children to go to school, money which we don't have and are borrowing and printing.





I'm not sure I follow. There is no legitimate reason to get good grades? Of course there is, I don't even think I need to explain this. Good grades leads to better jobs in a persons future.

And I still don't know what you mean by being bent on schools competing. The federal government being involved in the education system has shown the quality going down and the prices are going up. I am encouraging competition between schools in terms of private schools. I am saying that school a needs to reduce prices and increase quality so that school b is forced to do the same. This drives down the cost of education and increases quality as the schools compete for the students money. I don't really think that it's that hard to comprehend and saying that it is impossible is just a bit far-fetched. I don't even know where the students come into play here, since they are only the ones who get to decide who gets to go to which school they want to go to. I'm not saying students within the schools competing with other students in another school. That is frivolous and won't tackle the root problem of welfare, education will and allowing schools to compete to become more attractive for students will ensure that the quality of education goes up and prices go down.



You are missing the point though (by the way it sounded like you were implying it so my apologies). The fact is that hiring government workers to go out and make sure people are not cheating the welfare system is just causing MORE to be spent on the welfare system. Creating more taxes from the measly salary that is given out by welfare is not enough to cover these costs and you end up spending more money to ensure that the people are using welfare for the right reasons instead of just allowing them to spend it as they please. We need to fix education and eventually welfare will no longer be required by people. Creating a society where everyone can prosper so long as they try and those that fail willingly failed is the way that we are going. Now it has become obvious that through the pumping of money in the education systems poorer families cannot afford to put their children through university, now that child is no longer able to have a bright future because of the government subsidizing education.

I say no more printing and spending. Cut funding to public schools and abolish the department of education, repeal no child left behind.