(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sooooo... people living off of the state (and in turn other people). How are we feeling about this?

I agree with giving benefits to the sick, disabled and people who can't support their children etc. etc. but I don't agree with giving it to the lazy assholes who can't be bothered working

Why would taxpayers be burdened for the actions of other people? The work requirement for welfare and the 2 year limit is an excellent idea and I would not even dare to tread past that. People need to take responsibility for their own actions, and stop thinking that the government needs to give them help left right and center. There are a lot of people who do not legitimately need welfare. They can work, even if it's a minimum wage job to support themselves. Many people feel as if though it is the governments responsibility to take care of people who purposely ignore getting an education, and freeload their entire lives. I'm not going to even touch on disability since that is irrelevant to this topic in my opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that those people who have a disability should be granted welfare. I don't have a problem with those people, I have a problem with people who feel that it is right to penalize other people because they have been more successful and give to those who are in the state they are in because they choose to.

Let's not forget almost every country on the planet is in a debt crisis. Where the hell can we keep spending this kind of money? Printing money and spending is not going to solve your problems my fellow Keynesian's.

inb4 all the little uneducated kids. if someones actually disabled not a drug addict or has a job but doesn't make enough money and no drug habit then im all for it but a drug addiction or pure lazyness then no

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can tell if u went full retard or retard m8

m8 pls. xplain.

i didn't read it to long how bout u do all dat in 2 sentence

You have an incredibly skewed view of things. Most benefits claimants are not the lazy sods that the tabloids make them out to be.

(This applies to England, no idea anywhere else but I doubt it'd be much different.)



The issue arises where you have to draw the line somewhere - the law is, for good reason, binary, and therefore problems will arise either way. I'd rather a few people cheated the system if it meant less needless deaths. It's similar to my philosophical stance on the death sentence.



Benefits claimants make a minuscule impact on the budget here in England, despite the media portraying otherwise. But let's forget that. Let's say hypothetically that a large chunk of the global debt would be wiped out if we took a harder line on welfare. Is that worth it? Is it worth millions of people dying? Is it worth people having nothing to fall back onto when due primarily down to luck they are unsuccessful in their career(s)?

For me, no. Not even remotely.

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Just a thought, why does everybody here consider those who don't want to work to be X, Y or Z (insert insults here)? People are brought into this society through no choice of their own and cannot leave it other than in a coffin. Some people don't mind work, some loathe it. Some don't like having their one life sapped away working to make somebody else's life richer and therefore better. If you look at the way power is divided into society today it's like a deceptive form of slavery.

Just bouncing ideas around, mostly curious for any refutations.

In Ireland I walk by the post office every Thursday and Friday and see scumbags lining up half way down the street to collect their dole, and I've seen it in different places all over Ireland. I guess it's different everywhere, but for Ireland my view I feel should be implemented.

All true, but most people on welfare are lazy and have no ambitions in life. The only thing they dream of doing with the money provided by the government, which is actually coming out of tax dollars, is to spend it on petty things such as a TV or drugs. They have no want to spend it on the needed things such as food.