Post: Mass Shootings/Guns
10-02-2015, 04:01 AM #1
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sadly, mass shootings are a thing in our society. However, far too many people are far too quick to place the blame on the gun, instead of the person responsible. We blame drunk drivers for crashing and killing people, bombers for creating bombs that kill people, and stabbers for stabbing someone...but yet when it comes to guns, we blame the gun and try to ban or restrict them. Today's mass shooting, like every other recent high profile mass shooting, took place in a so called "gun free zone" where it is posted by the owners that guns are not allowed. Here's the problem. CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE FUCKING LAW. So by posting up a facility as a gun free zone, all you are doing is making it an extremely easy target for someone planning something nefarious, since most law abiding citizens won't bring a gun into the gfz. Yet, look up at the times where someone with a gun stopped someone else who had opened fire. You don't hear about them, because they never had a chance to become a mass shooting since a good guy with a gun stopped the bad guy with the gun before he could do serious damage. Point and case: Gun control doesn't work, and gun free zones are like big painted targets for mass shooters. Now, I'm not so bad as to say we shouldn't have background checks, but instead of our government trying to institute MORE background checks and other restrictions like standard capacity magazine bans, Modern Sporting Rifle (omg it's a gun but it looks extra scary, lets ban it) etc. why not actually fix and enforce the current laws on the books? The current National Instant Check System should do the job, but being a government handled entity, it has it's failure. Fix that and enforce other laws instead of trying to take away the rights of millions of law abiding gun owners.


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10-02-2015, 02:52 PM #11
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The first link proves that its mostly knife violence. Also, everything over there happens in very poor London boroughs where violence is rife. The gun violence in the US happens anywhere. You just don't see shooters entering malls or schools shooting innocent people. Most of the violence is pre-meditated in the UK. You can link me to violence in Europe all you want, but you can't disprove that Europe does not have mass shootings of innocent people as regularly as America.
10-02-2015, 02:53 PM #12
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Originally posted by Ben View Post
The first link proves that its mostly knife violence. Also, everything over there happens in very poor London boroughs where violence is rife. The gun violence in the US happens anywhere. You just don't see shooters entering malls or schools shooting innocent people. Most of the violence is pre-meditated in the UK. You can link me to violence in Europe all you want, but you can't disprove that Europe does not have mass shootings of innocent people as regularly as America.


A shooting is a shooting, that's what it boils down to. You can't pick and choose and then try to rationalize it.

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10-02-2015, 02:56 PM #13
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Originally posted by 1UP View Post
A shooting is a shooting, that's what it boils down to. You can't pick and choose and then try to rationalize it.


But... you can lol. There is a massive difference between a pre-meditating shooting and just shooting random innocent bystanders. Your laziness to not even see the difference just shows that I'm right.
10-02-2015, 02:57 PM #14
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Originally posted by Ben View Post
But... you can lol. There is a massive difference between a pre-meditating shooting and just shooting random innocent bystanders. Your laziness to not even see the difference just shows that I'm right.


Except most if not all mass shootings are pre-meditated. They aren't just spur of the moment.

In anycase you can sugar coat whatever you want to make yourself look better, a killing is a killing, it doesn't matter.
10-02-2015, 02:59 PM #15
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Originally posted by 1UP View Post
Except most if not all mass shootings are per-meditated.


I mean they are planned for, obviously, but they hardly have just one target. They are not shooting a person because of something they've done, they're just shooting random students or mall shoppers.
10-02-2015, 03:04 PM #16
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Originally posted by Ben View Post
I mean they are planned for, obviously, but they hardly have just one target. They are not shooting a person because of something they've done, they're just shooting random students or mall shoppers.


You are flip flopping a lot. You say per-meditated is not as bad as a mass shooting, yet its always planned out. Sorry but you're augment holds no water. Gang violence generally has more than just 1 target. Innocents get killed all the time over shit like that. But that's ok apparently to you?

People getting killed over gun violence is shitty all around. Let's not try to downplay this.
10-02-2015, 03:11 PM #17
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Originally posted by 1UP View Post
You are flip flopping a lot. You say per-meditated is not as bad as a mass shooting, yet its always planned out. Sorry but you're augment holds no water. Gang violence generally has more than just 1 target. Innocents get killed all the time over shit like that. But that's ok apparently to you?

People getting killed over gun violence is shitty all around. Let's not try to downplay this.


Of course gun violence is terrible. Maybe my English was wrong. But normally who are killed due to guns in the UK are killed because they were targeted by the shooter. A mass shooting at a mall or school isn't really targeted at one specific person, rather its just the shooter trying to make a name for himself. Both are terrible, of course, but there is a massive difference between a shooting spree and killing a guy you know because of something he did.
10-02-2015, 03:33 PM #18
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Originally posted by Ben View Post
Of course gun violence is terrible. Maybe my English was wrong. But normally who are killed due to guns in the UK are killed because they were targeted by the shooter. A mass shooting at a mall or school isn't really targeted at one specific person, rather its just the shooter trying to make a name for himself. Both are terrible, of course, but there is a massive difference between a shooting spree and killing a guy you know because of something he did.

I don't see it as that. What I see here is someone trying to somehow justify that one way of killing is better than another.

To some degree however both are one in the same. Both types of crimes are more or less a kill counter. People move up in ranks in a gang based on stuff like that. It's no different.

HOWEVER
Media sensationalizes things like this. You rarely hear about gang violence in the United States, at least on the news. It's far worse then mass shootings by far in terms of numbers.
The problem lies with crazy people and a measuring stick. They want to out do the last guy, it doesn't matter how difficult getting a weapon will be, once you are in that frame of mind it's going to happen one way or another.
10-02-2015, 04:48 PM #19
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Originally posted by EYE
The USA gun law is so wrong. I mean in the sense its fine because you need a license to buy a gun. But over here (UK) we only sell rifles/shotguns ( farmers guns) you rarely see gun crime.

USA it must be very easy to gain a machine gun and simply walk into the local store/school/church and blow everyone away... but its now hard for Obama to retract any guns etc...


No actually machine guns are extremely hard to come by. That's where I think you guys are not understanding things. Pistols and sporting rifles are not automatic.
A machine gun is. You can't just walk into a store and casually buy one.

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