Post: Mass Shootings/Guns
10-02-2015, 04:01 AM #1
NP Carling26
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sadly, mass shootings are a thing in our society. However, far too many people are far too quick to place the blame on the gun, instead of the person responsible. We blame drunk drivers for crashing and killing people, bombers for creating bombs that kill people, and stabbers for stabbing someone...but yet when it comes to guns, we blame the gun and try to ban or restrict them. Today's mass shooting, like every other recent high profile mass shooting, took place in a so called "gun free zone" where it is posted by the owners that guns are not allowed. Here's the problem. CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE FUCKING LAW. So by posting up a facility as a gun free zone, all you are doing is making it an extremely easy target for someone planning something nefarious, since most law abiding citizens won't bring a gun into the gfz. Yet, look up at the times where someone with a gun stopped someone else who had opened fire. You don't hear about them, because they never had a chance to become a mass shooting since a good guy with a gun stopped the bad guy with the gun before he could do serious damage. Point and case: Gun control doesn't work, and gun free zones are like big painted targets for mass shooters. Now, I'm not so bad as to say we shouldn't have background checks, but instead of our government trying to institute MORE background checks and other restrictions like standard capacity magazine bans, Modern Sporting Rifle (omg it's a gun but it looks extra scary, lets ban it) etc. why not actually fix and enforce the current laws on the books? The current National Instant Check System should do the job, but being a government handled entity, it has it's failure. Fix that and enforce other laws instead of trying to take away the rights of millions of law abiding gun owners.


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10-08-2015, 09:56 PM #74
Rath
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Originally posted by NP
The thing of it is, there's not many records of civilians stopping mass shootings with a gun, because those cases never had a chance to reach mass shooting status. A guy walks into a crowded area and starts shooting and kills 15, it makes national news, calls for gun control, etc.

Now take a guy walks into that same crowded area, starts shooting, and injures one before being fatally shot by an armed civilian. At best it makes local news. Every time an attacker is shot by an armed civilian, it could be the stopping of a potential mass shooting. But it'll never make waves like the successful attacks will. That's the problem that again goes back to media. It doesn't wanna show the news where there was no carnage, as that won't get ratings, and won't push agendas. But the news of a successful mass shooting? That will.


I can't add much to the debate because you and 1UP have got it covered perfectly, but I would like to share my two cents worth. First and foremost, I've always been around firearms. From rifles to machine guns and other NFA regulated firearms and/or devices. But what I enjoy watching are the arm citizen/civilian videos. Where individual(s) are up to no good, typically armed robberies with multiple suspects, or an individual targeting a gun-free zone with the intention of killing a lot of people. But are stopped by someone who is armed and there is little to no loss of life minus the perpetrator.

There are literally thousands of videos that corroborate the fact that armed citizens are the first line of defense in shootings, robberies, muggings, just about all major crime. I just cringe at the fact that people think relying on the police should be the first line of defense. I've done my fair share of ride alongs and we responded to a call code 3 and it still took us almost 8 minutes to get to where we were going. Hell we had a deputy who was killed last month and the first unit on the scene - who obviously responded code 3 - didn't get there soon enough. I believe the idiom is, "If seconds count, law enforcement is only minutes away." Or something along those lines.

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10-08-2015, 10:20 PM #75
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Originally posted by Dr
I can't add much to the debate because you and 1UP have got it covered perfectly, but I would like to share my two cents worth. First and foremost, I've always been around firearms. From rifles to machine guns and other NFA regulated firearms and/or devices. But what I enjoy watching are the arm citizen/civilian videos. Where individual(s) are up to no good, typically armed robberies with multiple suspects, or an individual targeting a gun-free zone with the intention of killing a lot of people. But are stopped by someone who is armed and there is little to no loss of life minus the perpetrator.

There are literally thousands of videos that corroborate the fact that armed citizens are the first line of defense in shootings, robberies, muggings, just about all major crime. I just cringe at the fact that people think relying on the police should be the first line of defense. I've done my fair share of ride alongs and we responded to a call code 3 and it still took us almost 8 minutes to get to where we were going. Hell we had a deputy who was killed last month and the first unit on the scene - who obviously responded code 3 - didn't get there soon enough. I believe the idiom is, "If seconds count, law enforcement is only minutes away." Or something along those lines.


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10-09-2015, 03:44 AM #76
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Its just one more Thing that is used in gun control
10-09-2015, 10:34 PM #77
Toke
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Originally posted by NP
Sadly, mass shootings are a thing in our society. However, far too many people are far too quick to place the blame on the gun, instead of the person responsible. We blame drunk drivers for crashing and killing people, bombers for creating bombs that kill people, and stabbers for stabbing someone...but yet when it comes to guns, we blame the gun and try to ban or restrict them. Today's mass shooting, like every other recent high profile mass shooting, took place in a so called "gun free zone" where it is posted by the owners that guns are not allowed. Here's the problem. CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE FUCKING LAW. So by posting up a facility as a gun free zone, all you are doing is making it an extremely easy target for someone planning something nefarious, since most law abiding citizens won't bring a gun into the gfz. Yet, look up at the times where someone with a gun stopped someone else who had opened fire. You don't hear about them, because they never had a chance to become a mass shooting since a good guy with a gun stopped the bad guy with the gun before he could do serious damage. Point and case: Gun control doesn't work, and gun free zones are like big painted targets for mass shooters. Now, I'm not so bad as to say we shouldn't have background checks, but instead of our government trying to institute MORE background checks and other restrictions like standard capacity magazine bans, Modern Sporting Rifle (omg it's a gun but it looks extra scary, lets ban it) etc. why not actually fix and enforce the current laws on the books? The current National Instant Check System should do the job, but being a government handled entity, it has it's failure. Fix that and enforce other laws instead of trying to take away the rights of millions of law abiding gun owners.


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10-10-2015, 11:33 AM #78
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