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@sinister, @Jounijkk, tested your cars, ran Jouni's car with OZ Envy +1" wheels and sinister's with his setup wheels.

Sinister, car feels real track car, so predictable and stable, maybe too stable for this 158bhp setup, best what I got on 10 lap session on Tsukuba was 1:04.303, average on my hand was between 1:04.3 and 1:04.5.
Maybe just a bit too stiff, tune probably handles every bit of power what you possibly could add to Miata.
Taste what it leaves is those cambers and toe balance was good, you feel all the time when you're on "sweet spot" and when not, superior work.

Jouni, I was totally surprised about this tune, when entering values I was suspicious of it, but when driving it was totally enormous cornering machine, suspension acts but dangerously - jumping tires on just on edge of traction, and yes that "go early on throttle" was true, car cuts corners like a snake, toke quick 7 laps session and second lap hits 1:04.1 and few laps later 1:03.883, crazy fast.

I really have to get some influences from both of your tunes, all three of us are approaching car so differently. I know sinister car would go faster, but my braking was too heavy on first test session, maybe when driving more I could adapt that smoothness on my braking what car needs.

SiNiST3R, do you prefer to drive all of your GT6 cars with ABS turned off? I have always driven my GT6 cars with ABS=1. That is until danbojte, a great guy at GTPlanet, created the Ridox Replica Garage Fan Club. We started racing on Saturday mornings and the official rules insist that everybody drive with ABS=0. I had a really hard time at first, but I have gotten better. I am still much faster with ABS=1, but I totally appreciate the extra "skill" that is required to drive GT6 cars without the assistance of ABS. I have heard different theories on how ABS works in GT6. I would like to hear what your thoughts are regarding ABS in GT6...

I will say, You are asking the right questions.. Hard ones..

Thats a BIG question, no simple answer, very much opinionated and personal,I will give my current position as this one has had me swaying a bit as I tell myself,Im a guy who plays a video game but like to keep it real. as weird as that sounds I understand it, I think some of you guys know what I mean...


Im knocking on 40's door. Im not "old" but a lil older than some of those playing GT6. The older guys will remember a time when at the track the term ABS or TCS never came up, those were things not found on the racing track in any racing. If you got caught using electronic aids you got DQ'ed Im still a lil bit stuck in the past as I appreciate the skill that is involved in driving these high powered cars with no electronic aids. Fully in control, feeling EVERYTHING, there is a communication between driver, vehicle and road that gets blurred the more assist get thrown in.

When it comes to cars from this time absolutely no assist, I see it as sacrilegious, unless we are talking about a retro mod, an Old School car built in modern years with modern tech. Take the Red Devil for example, a First Gen Camaro with everything new school, including ABS. However something like the Lotus 97T should NEVER see ABS or TCS EVER, its IMO just wrong, if the driver cant drive the car without ABS or TCS, they need to practice more with other cars before they try to conquer something like the 97T...

There is still ABS free racing today, like SCCA Spec Miata etc. These restrict the use of ABS. If ABS is SPECIFICALLY restricted then t simply should not be used if recreating that spec (That goes out to ALL the guys racing "Spec" Miatas with ABS-1), using that shit is just WEAK...

Ive had my opinion on this change somewhat.. I used to be ABS Zero or go home. But If I want to act like Im about realism then thats not right. Even some street cars people build up into weekend track warriors like many build plans of cars in GT6 are trying to recreate, these car have ABS IRL and its not getting disabled and cant get simply turned off when these guys are tracking the cars. Guys like Chris Harris when testing cars in factory trim, often have buttons to kill reduce or semi shut off the TCS, but no turn off ABS button, so recreating those laps for example would require the use of ABS IMO. Or look at the new Nismo GTR, I dont think you can ever really FULLY shut off all the computers and run no electronic assist no ABS etc without modifying the car (loosing warranty instantly) but if we want to try to recreate the laps that Motor Trend did for example we would have to drive the car the way he did and in that case that means ABS is on in the least, that one would probably need ASM and TCS to be really real.


So where does that leave me with GT6..

Old cars, the classics. I don't modify, I drive them AS IS from the factory with ABS and TCS shut off. Cars of the 90's ABS was shut off or disabled when we tracked & I personally prefer to drive with ZERO ABS so I do.

HOWEVER cars 2000+ I flop around, it depends on the situation

Its a case by case, car by car race by race situation.

I always go for Zero ABS first but I dont stress over some cars that are just NOT BUILT FOR NO ABS.. We have been getting serious performance edition cars and these cars have practically racing brakes from the factory. If some of these factory brake kits were time traveled back to the 80's they would be better than most Racing Brakes on racing cars. These brake kits dont work properly without ABS In Real Life, because they are designed around ABS, and no way to shut it off. I will use ABS on these cars and I dont feel bad about it, in fact in many of these cases turning ABS OFF would be LESS realistic.


ABS and even TCS are in racing cars, just look at GT3 cars, they run ABS & TCS You must login or register to view this content.
I will be honest its been something more and more as the years go by. ABS and TCS are sneaking into racing and how can I say Im about keeping it real if I talk shit to somebody in a GT3 car with ABS and TCS when the cars IRL are using it? SO I personally go for ABS Zero Even on GT3 cars, but I got NO PROBLEM racing them online with guys running ABS at 1, I have the option to use it if I think it will make me more competitive, if I still go for no ABS its all on me, I wont cry to the room, about them only beating me because I didn't use ABS, I had it available like everybody else..

I still go for Zero ABS even when racing online. If you look at the video of my GTI, the online racing video you will see I got the standard brakes on and ABS shut off even though the other guys are using ABS, the car is a MKV and it was sold with ABS. We are talking 450pp Golf, its still a game and 450pp even CS I don't need ABS. IN THIS CASE I shut it off.

However running the Red Devil, I have watched the owner running the car and hes got the ABS on it so IMO to recreate the Red Devil as the Real Car, I run it with ABS-1 EVEN THOUGH I don't feel I need it. Note the car is driveable with Zero ABS but the brakes are too grabby and I cant help think, hmmm, well yeah, If I had that brake kit on, with no ABS the brakes would be too damn grabby now wouldn't they. Its more real in this case to use ABS now isn't it.


I will make a note that YES there is the additional Stability Assist found in GT6 ABS thats not in real life, BUT I dont actually think its all too big a deal, at least not as much as I once thought it to be. To me that aspect is of little concern. Im more interested in recreating the realism and often times ABS is needed for more realism, extra bit of assist or not. When it comes to TESTING THE PHYSICS all assist IMO need to be shut off so that we can ELIMINATE the assist as a contributing factor. If you look at the OP, there is a link for a post where I talk on the Problems of using an assist like ABS (with the added stability assist) when TESTING the physics..


I think there is a real value to learning how to drive fully no assist, I think everybody should learn to drive no assist.. I have a lot of respect for Zero Assist Times, much more so than I do for times where ABS is used.

We have new things coming like ERS and torque vectoring. A lil FYI Some Torque Vectoring systems uses the ABS system to torque vector, slightly applying the brakes to the inside wheels transfers more tq to the outside wheels.. These new technologies use more and more electronics to drive the car.I think of it like going from Hydraulics to Fly-By-Wire controls in a fighter jet. Modern Jets are UNSTABLE by design using electronics to translate inputs into outcome. Modern cars are adopting the same philosophy of being naturally unstable BUT a sort of Drive By Wire to translate driver inputs into vehicle outcome. The Unstable vehicle is stabilized by the electronics.

I commend Ridox for his quest for always no ABS, but I disagree with him on the subject. Keeping ABS at zero all the time IS NOT really more real than guys running ABS-1 all the time. It VERY MUCH Depend on the details, going ONLY one way or the other IMO is wrong both ways.

@sinister, I'll tune my cars without ABS, even driving some of those with ABS 1, if you make car first in balance without ABS then it will be also in balance with it, you just probably need to adjust brake bias/power bit after changing ABS on, but suspension and other settings are done and fine. Tuning car with ABS you might end up situation where ABS was masking some real big problems on your car setup.

Good challenge for noABS tuning is BMW GT3 Z4, doing tune for it will make you wonder how in the hell this can be made stable without ABS, and when you finally got it stable and go to test it with ABS on you'll just fly around track with it and enjoying smoothness of car.

This is true, but an unnecessary step IMO. I find it best to tune the car how you intend to drive it. I most often go Zero ABS and I agree ABS will mask flaws in a set up you wont see until you shut off ABS. ONCE I have decided to build the car including ABS (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) It no longer matters if there is a flaw that will be uncovered removing ABS because there is no intentions of removing ABS. I feel its better to tune around the way the car will be driven, if the case calls for ABS then a flaw when ABS is removed becomes irrelevant and its better to tune making sure there is no flaws for ABS driving.

Most of my tuning is around Zero ABS, I will note that when I post a set up I often will give a suggested ABS-1 brake set up, I will be very honest and say these are simply the same bias with Racing Brakes replacing the Standard Brakes, I try it out to make sure theres nothing wrong, but if any further tuning is required for the switch it will be on the driver. When I post a zero ABS set up, its with hopes people will drive it with Zero ABS so they can get a glimpse of how much this game has to offer if they explore something with success they have not had success with before. Sometimes it just takes a guy finding the right zero ABS set up for them to appreciate what Zero ABS has to offer and then further explore the world of Zero ABS that is IMO much more rewarding than the ABS world.

I believe a well tuned car with Zero ABS can go to using ABS better than a ABS tuned car goes to Zero ABS by far, BUT even still tuning the car as it is intended on being driven is honestly the best way to tune it.



I agree, I like the BMW GT cars and I would add the Nismo GT3 tuned by PoDi Racing Team for the Nurb 24h as it is a car ACTUALLY Tuned in the game, not simply a "default" set up. I prefer to run these cars Zero ABS & Zero TCS and they are GREAT cars for learning on,but I would still Tune them for racing how I intend to drive them in the race, if your going to be racing the car with ABS, tune the car with ABS on. It saves you from scrubbing off speed where you don't need to.

With that said, to really enjoy the Nismo GT3 Set up as PoDi intended it, Turn ABS-1 and TCS-1 with Racing Hards, drive it like they drive Groupe GT3 IRl.

I think Guys like me OdeFinn & Ridox enjoy the challenge of diving cars like GT3 cars with zero assist. I dont know about them, but I see it as the way GT3 SHOULD be driven IRL... However IRL they use ABS and TCS so its more realistic to use them we are old school and like to DRIVE our cars the old school way, on our own

@sinister I have much more enjoyment from cars when running without ABS, including GT3 cars, like gold on TT seasonal on Nurb 24H with Z4 GT3 noABS.
But using ABS on car what never had real-life ABS is against my nervous system, some really rare cases using with those ABS, mostly reason is online room filled with idiotic drivers and needing some help on braking against rear knockers..

Yeah those guys are why I don't venture into QM often. Zero regulations on drivers, no way to keep knockers out. They rear end and dont respect the track lines, the VeeDub at RedBull Ring is a joke.

Online its room dependent. Sometimes SRF can even be fun. Not that I use it, but when the other guys in the room are a few seconds a lap off, letting them use SRF can get them to keep up and make it more of a race even though the skill levels might be offset. I prefer not to use the boost because I feel it messes up my car making it feel inconsistent instead of just boosting the slow guys, but I don't mind if they use high draft because they at least need to get in my draft to get the boost. With online having such a mix up of skill levels some of these assist can level out the field and add some challenge. I dont so much like running so far head of the pack and its fun to tighten it up some, its not always easy to randomly find a group of guys all at the same level..

Then there are the rooms with all guys you know who are all relatively competitive.

Online racing in random rooms takes some adapting to the room and not all rooms will do, I often dip then bounce after checking out the room is not for me. I cant stand the kids jabbing the whole time about random bullshit, it's annoying, but at the same time Ive been in some British rooms where the guys were cracking jokes the whole time and I had to fight back pissing my pants, The racing was semi serious but the room entertainment level was through the rough.

Funny the best racing I have is not actually "racing" perse. I often find a guy running laps in practice and we naturally start racing, forget the race starting, the 2 of us will run like nobody else is on the track, trading places and just having a fucking blast. I even do it in Car Show Rooms lol. the other day I was showing off the Civette doing burn outs and started running the track for laps and buddy sided up with me ad we just kept on "racing" with no clock, Guy from France called himself "Le_Stig" lol awesome.

Good Times

Wassup, curious Ode what did you find?