Post: GT6 Game Physics Testing
04-30-2014, 09:03 PM #1
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Here are some videos (I can only add 2 so Ill link post where videos are posted when I can)



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06-02-2015, 07:49 PM #722
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
If three is a baskit full of shit and then there are this Gtr Lm Nismo, the only difference between those things are the basket.

I try again after my nerves has recovered.

Jounijkk
06-02-2015, 08:23 PM #723
OdeFinn
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@sinister, if you check real-time adjust menu you'll see 4wd torque percentages, 100% front.

@Jounijkk, sharing your feelings, except I'm not testing after my nerves are fine from first test.. Smile

This car will split users to either hate it or love it.
06-02-2015, 08:43 PM #724
SiNiST3R
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Originally posted by OdeFinn View Post
@sinister, if you check real-time adjust menu you'll see 4wd torque percentages, 100% front.


It actually says 4WDtq 100% R but it says the same thing on my FWD Golf GTI and the ViSiV that uses a gas engine up front and electric motor for the rear wheels. It says the same thing for any car without a controller. If there is a controller but its not adjustable we get the grey'ed out split, if adjustable we get the range, some stock controller are adjustable, but not as much as the aftermarket adjustable controllers, some Subaru's for example.


Originally posted by OdeFinn View Post
This car will split users to either hate it or love it.


Yeah its certainly gonna be a car like that. I think its as butt ugly as a car can get, YUCK, the more I look at it the more Im sure I dont and wont like the look. Every angle just seems worse then the last, not one really looks good. UGLY UGLY UGLY KID JOE. The tech has me curious, IMO it will Belly-Flop at LeMans this year and Next year. I still take my hat off for the Ballsy move but wish it was a different ballsy move. If they win, I eat Crow..

No dislike of the car in game so far, does take a bit of getting used to but overall better than what I expected, not enough to beat Porsche or Audi at LeMans tho.. Porsche I think will cake walk this thing and make it look REALLY REALLY BAD and the Porsche will look great while doing so..

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06-03-2015, 05:13 AM #725
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To put an end to any debate on if the NiSSAN GT-R LM NiSMO puts any power to the rear I took the car into Data Analyzer looking at the wheel speed. IF there is any power given to the rear wheels the rear wheel speed will be higher than the vehicle speed from 112mph to 135mph, if the speeds are the same then we know for sure there is zero power given to the rear wheels..


Easy to see test the NiSSAN GT-R LM NiSMO in GT6 currently is full time FWD there is zero power given to the rear. Looking in the analyzer the rear wheel speeds match vehicle speeds inside 112mph to 135mph while the front wheels are going faster than the vehicle speed indicating the front wheels are getting power while the rear are not.
06-03-2015, 07:01 AM #726
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
Thank You. Good to know. This car feels like FWD.

I improved my time in Silverstone with Miata around a second. Time 2.27,501. There were 2 good reasons:
First I was looking how Sinist3r is driving in his excellent driving school video. To study this kind of video is the fastes way to go faster.
Second. It's a very good idea to remember to change oil, when it's gone bad.

Jouni

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06-04-2015, 12:40 PM #727
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
@Bread
I tested Your setup in Tsukuba. Time 1.03,915 ( my best time )
Setup is very good. Car is in good control and it goes the way I like. Specially during the last long right, cars behaviour is good - car stays in control and I can steer it to exit point.

You have interesting approach to rear camber and rear toe, it works. Rear end is fine, no unwanted movements. Also the front is in good control all the time.

I tested the car also in Silverstone, I was just curious. Those fast corners goes very fast, but if You lift throttle the rear end starts to slide ( left hand corner, where You brake, change gears from 4 to 2 and combination of S-corners ). This setup is not made to Silverstone, but with little changes witch will make the rear more stable without messing the front behaviour, it would be interesting to see how fast it is. My guess is: it's really fast.

Well done. Keep doing Your good work.

This exercise with Miata has been very educational. At least I have learned new approaches to this physics and setup. Thank you Sinist3r, Ode and Bread.

Jouni

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06-04-2015, 03:56 PM #728
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The SRT Tomahawk X

""This is the ultimate Tomahawk that incorporates a variety of experimental technologies. With a redline set at 14,500 rpm, the V-10 engine pumps out 2,168 hp (nearly three times the output from the base Tomahawk S) The front wheel drivetrain contributes an additional 422 hp at peak, for total output of 2,590 hp. That gives the Tomahawk X a top speed of 404 mph. Due to the extreme performance of the X version, the driver is required to wear a G-suit to withstand the extreme cornering forces. ""

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This car is interesting to say the least, its stretching the realms of reality for certain. I see many on 2 sides, one side loving the boundry push while others crying about realism (funny how its many many glitch turners crying about the realism, honestly realism for those guys is out the window every time they tune a car, so what difference does a spec'ed up car make in realism?

Im satisfied with the 3 versions they plan to release, 2 being similar to Street n Race type specs with the X version being that crazy off the wall shit. How crazy is it? Well its a 2035 concept and I think they are counting on serious tire technology to come out in the next 20 years that will be probably one of the important IF's in this project.

2600hp thats not even close to unrealistic. Is it outlandish and nutso figures to look at? Yeah kinda but not as unrealistic as one would think. Heck a 6000hp all electric motor is possible if we can supply the voltage needed and so a hybrid set up using a high powered V10 and electric motor making up the difference is not just possible in the future, its possible TODAY... We got V8's with over 2khp, a good example is the AMS Alpha OMEGA GT-R that makes 2000hp... Its raced Vipers with close to 2000hp already, and if they put serious race bread parts in it to hit nearly double the Vipers rpms, then no doubt the hp can be made...

I see the active aero being an issue also, those panels seem to move fast and while most active aero we have today is a flap that raises or lowers, these are actively taking up multiple positions on the fly as the car drives. Whats interesting is this is taking a concept Ive spoken on before to the next level. Ive spoken about Fly-by-wire tech trickling into the automotive world with a sort of Drive-By-Wire way of adapting the inputs to the situation (increasing or decreasing steering rate due to vehicle speed and direction etc) where these flaps seem to be like Jet Fighter flaps (with much more movement) and working off the aero sort of flying the car on the ground.


When it comes to speed its all about power and aero so theoretically the speeds the thing should be capable of in the game are theoretically possible IF and this is a big IF, if the tires are even possible to handle it, while I do find it interesting they have also adopted the G-Suit from Jet fighters the loads on the human body would certainly require it and maybe a Racing G-Suit is a step coming soon to allow drivers to push it beyond today's limits..


They have triggered a question that was previously something I believe the X1 cars were also kinda going after but with new technologies that were not conceptualized into the X1, like EXTREMELY active aero and hybrid systems accompanying the high powered gas engines. What are the limits of the human driver. The question is less and less are the technology feasible, the question is more what can the human body handle. SRT explore this with the only way to truly push that boundary fucking G-Suit, how awesome is that. No we dont wear it but we have G-Suits working in Jet Fighters so we know how much G load the human body can handle with the G-Suit, what does that translate into on a racing track....


More and more the limiting factor that is the most Crazy IMO is simply the tires, however active aero plays an interesting role here as active aero should be able to negate the load on the tires possible even somewhat managing it into feasible territories, just think Jet fighters pull off high G turns with no grip, all aero Winky Winky

How fast it can be driven will be on the reflexes of the human driver. Interesting. Hmmm if we conceptualize possible tech into a no limits car what would be the limiting factor? The driver, and if all technologies conceptualized are possible what are those driver limits. What separates these from the average hyper powered Civic is these are real automotive engineers putting real engineering behind the concepts over guys like me hacking the boost up to crazy figures and adding the aero needed to keep it on the ground. Probably drive not all too different lol but hey, nice to see a legit Hyper car, hmmmm now we got something to race the Hybrid Hyper cars lol..


I think PoDi fucked up on the reveal. Or maybe it was Dodge getting too eager to drop the news but they could of announced it all next week, to let the Buzz on the Peugeot live out a lil, the news of the SRT kinda overshadowed the Peugeot (Fastest VGT to date aside from the LM55) The LMP1 GT-R is so wacky weird and big buzz in LeMans 24h right now that its gonna have buzz until a bit after the race, but the Peugeot is not getting as much attention as it deserves IMO, so much Tomahawk talk, even from me, but I can't help it, just look at the damn thing, so I blame them for releasing the news too soon lmfao.


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Something the "Tomahawk Designer" Paul Hoste said that I found intriguing. Paraphrasing he says he grew up playing Gran Turismo and this had an influence on his design of the Tomahawk..Im realising GT has been around for 15 years and guys into cars who are now in their 20's basically grew up with Gran Turismo, playing Gran Tursimo in many cases. Even the designer of the ViSiV is of the age where Gran Turismo has had an influence on his design of a Subaru car for Gran Turismo.

Love it or Hate it this game is the most influential games ever on the automotive and racing industry. We got GTAcademy drivers about to run in the LeMans 24h and cars that have been designed for Gran Turismo have had an impact on production cars as Concepts did before Vision Gran Tursimo, but now with the added element of VGT, just look at the direction the VW GTI is going and others, even the NiSSAN 2020 VGT will influence the next generation of GT-R's, and Im sure we will see more of this as Manufactures realize the potential of the VGT program as I believe this will be something carried into future editions of Gran Turismo, albeit probably not a car a month from different brands,but brands dropping concepts through VGT concepts regularly. I think this is only the beginning.

Concept cars have always been interesting but more of a look at the pictures and wonder scenario. GT has already brought us a few concepts in History we used to only look at but in GT can experience, now they have taken it to the next level and while PoDi did have to hope the brands would embrace the idea PoDi needed the brands to really push the boundaries and that's exactly what has happened and WOW just look at the BuZZ the new VGT cars bring, not just in the GT6 world,but the Automotive world eats these cars up every time one gets dropped..

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06-04-2015, 05:53 PM #729
OdeFinn
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@Jounijkk, soon another version of Miata coming, you'll like or lot more than earlier. Gotta check that bread tune too.
Also finalizing BTR tuned for CS tires noABS, raw nearly done version with 506pp did flat 8min Nordscleife, several mistakes included. Final version will be 499/506pp, oil changed or not.
Stock gearbox, I want to keep clutch alive Smile

SRT predecessor:
06-04-2015, 06:43 PM #730
SiNiST3R
Samurai Poster
That is a CUTE lil Kitty lol but yeah, yah will need cat like reflexes to drive it lmfao

In realms of reality we have 2 versions and one Experimental lol


Xperi-Mental lol

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