Post: Underground PSN is Hypothetically Possible
01-31-2011, 01:56 PM #1
Dylan_Owns
Master of teh internetz
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.

First of all, What IS Underground PSN.

It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.

So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.

It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.

There'd be a few major issues.

First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.

A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.

Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult

That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:

We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.

The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.

So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.

If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.

Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.

Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).

I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.

Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
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01-31-2011, 01:59 PM #2
It's a nice idea, working or not.
01-31-2011, 02:12 PM #3
dunczzzz
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by Owns View Post
Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.



Kinda like cydia with itunes?
01-31-2011, 02:19 PM #4
Dylan_Owns
Master of teh internetz
Originally posted by TheBurnerb34 View Post
Kinda like cydia with itunes?


Sorta yeah, except Sony will probably disable it remotely so it'd require COMPLETE disconnection from Sony's servers...
01-31-2011, 02:21 PM #5
No1s Perfect
Confidence starts in your mind
well, i think Ngu could make the server, not to say they should, but that could be because i guess ngu do ghets allot of money with all the donations.
01-31-2011, 02:22 PM #6
Dylan_Owns
Master of teh internetz
Originally posted by D View Post
well, i think Ngu could make the server, not to say they should, but that could be because i guess ngu do ghets allot of money with all the donations.


Yes but NGU has nearly 400 thousand users.

A server that large plus the bandwidth to allow that many people connecting at once would cost thousands of dollars every month, likely even tens of thousands.
01-31-2011, 02:23 PM #7
dunczzzz
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by D View Post
well, i think Ngu could make the server, not to say they should, but that could be because i guess ngu do ghets allot of money with all the donations.


very true.
01-31-2011, 02:29 PM #8
No1s Perfect
Confidence starts in your mind
well, wouldnt Ngu ghet money still by donations? do you notice that they always reach more then 250% over the cash they need? .. Happy
01-31-2011, 03:07 PM #9
Or it could be like XBL lol?
01-31-2011, 03:18 PM #10
Romen_Xelkorta
Are you high?
Originally posted by Owns View Post
Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.

First of all, What IS Underground PSN.

It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.

So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.

It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.

There'd be a few major issues.

First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.

A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.

Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult

That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:

We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.

The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.

So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.

If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.

Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.

Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).

I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.

Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.


They could make their own P2P (Pay to Play) not (Peer to Peer) servers, cause i mean, it be a privileged, what if you get banned from the offical PSN server, well... then you will have to pay now to play online on the NGU servers

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