Post: Underground PSN is Hypothetically Possible
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01-31-2011, 01:56 PM
#1
Dylan_Owns
Master of teh internetz
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
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02-01-2011, 06:37 AM
#47
skatin707
Deep Sea Diving
Originally posted by midnightClub543
Yes NGU could implement a system like give 1 month free for premium or pay a certain fee to join the server. 5$ a month seems resonoable because since ngu has over 250,00 active users it would be around $1,250,00 thats a lot of money... enough to host a server for many of us monthly
It would be nice, however them offering it free doesn't work out well for us.
I am still paying OUT THE ASS for all of this. Why would I let them take all the money?
I'm not trying to make money, I just want to get close to breaking even.
02-01-2011, 06:50 AM
#48
JakeM
ZOMG HaXz!
Originally posted by Owns
Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
The simplest explanation would be AlterIwnet but modded for PS3.
02-01-2011, 10:26 AM
#51
jezza.boi
Maintainin' Ma'h Cool
Originally posted by Owns
Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
they should have their server connections like this
USA:
EUROPE:
AUSTRALIA:
and inside have it like
USA:
>Brooklyn
>California
>ect
AUS:
>Victoria
>QLD
>NSW
>ect
EUR:
>France
>Spain
ect
02-01-2011, 11:56 AM
#52
deadly990
Keeper
jezza if they do that then no1 will be able to play with anyone but the other 5 people on that specific server channel. and it would NOT improve connection because all of the people would still be routed through the same server somewhere where sony isn't allowed to shut it down (ie. not in the US). in order to make what your talking about efficient it would require a server location in all of those areas.
02-01-2011, 01:56 PM
#53
MasterBaitor
< ^ > < ^ >
Originally posted by Owns
Sorry for not making this a reply to the other Underground PSN thread but this is kinda long and I want people to read it and I doubt that will happen if it gets lost in the thread.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
First of all, What IS Underground PSN.
It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.
So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.
It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.
There'd be a few major issues.
First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.
A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.
Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult
That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:
We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.
The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.
So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.
If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.
Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.
Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).
I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.
Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
Brainstorming, for something like this the BEST is needed. It's creating a whole new ""system"" to be created. AND a lo of info from SONY. Geohot,Failoverfl0w, epicness will all need ot be together.
Nice post by the way :420::420::y::y:
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