Post: Underground PSN is Hypothetically Possible
01-31-2011, 01:56 PM #1
Dylan_Owns
Master of teh internetz
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First of all, What IS Underground PSN.

It's a concept that someone could completely remove all connection to Sony's servers and redirect that to a remote server. So we could pretty much host our own Private Servers for PSN.

So what we're looking for is someone to edit the Firmware and re-route the connection from the official PSN to an underground remote server.

It could work in theory, but it'd take a lot of effort.

There'd be a few major issues.

First issue, the server. I don't think anyone would have the money and motivation to pay for a server large enough.

A solution for this would be to code the Firmware to allow remote private servers, and then give people tools to host their own Private PSN servers, so instead of one huge underground server, we'd have a lot of little servers with as many people as the server host would allow. Typically Private Servers would have anywhere from only 10-20 people to several thousand.

Another problem being there wouldn't be any Cross-Site Sharing, so you would have to have different profiles for different Private servers. We could give tools to allow Cross-Site Sharing but it could be difficult

That would fix that problem, then comes the next one:

We'd need a few expert coders to actually CREATE the firmware. I imagine removing the connection to Sony's servers and replacing it with some sort of GUI where you input an IP address and port for the server you want to connect to, and then you register your username and password for that server.

The final problem, creating the Private servers. As you could imagine, you'd not only need a lot of space for all the users etc., but you'd also need a universal method of sorting and storing the files, the reason for this is that I'd imagine the directories for where to send certain information are coded into the Firmware, not the server.

So, if we can get past all these issues, I could definitely see this being a possibility, maybe not in the NEAR future, but some time in the future.

If anything I've said here doesn't make sense or is incorrect, feel free to correct me. I don't know if you could do it by editing the firmware but I'm sure it'd be possible somehow.

Just to clarify, here's what I mean: You turn on your PS3, and the PSN icon is replaced by the logo for whoever created the firmware, or whatever he/she/they want(s) it to be, maybe a bunny? Anyway, it'd be renamed to whatever the creator(s) wanted it to be, I'd imagine something like [Name of Person/Group]-Net so something like GeoHot-Net, but that's really not important, I just put that in there as a suggestion. The bunny thing was a joke.

Anyway, after opening that, it'd provide you with a list of Private Servers you have already registered on, maybe even a browser-type thing where the server hosts pay the creators to have their server listed there to get more traffic. Anyway, there'd be an option to connect to a new server, which you'd have to do initially. You enter the IP and Port, then register a Username and Password on that server. After that, it connects you to that server and PRESTO! PSN Private Servers. To disconnect from the private server you would do it the same as disconnecting from PSN (Highlight the PSN icon, press Triangle, press Sign Out).

I would imagine that eventually we'd be able to get an Auto Sign-In feature whereby you select one server and it automatically signs you into that server when you start up the PS3, possibly even allowing for different servers for each user on the PS3.

Thank you for reading, this took a while to write, +Rep appreciated but I'm not gonna beg for it.
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02-01-2011, 05:00 AM #38
gola
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Lol of course its possible.. I've been saying this since CFW first came out that someone should get this going xD.

The only thing is actually coding that into the firmware, and then buying a server capable of such things.
02-01-2011, 05:05 AM #39
Dylan_Owns
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Originally posted by skatin707 View Post
Just my thoughts :whistle:


Also, you said it was just a security workaround? The problem is, Sony still OWN the PSN and can easily ban accounts and patch security workarounds...

So you'd have to create an entire new network for users to access.

Also, to the people expressing concerns about everyone hacking, you'd still be able to be banned from our network.

Basically all it'd be would be PSN for people who were banned from the official PSN.

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Originally posted by ImmortalMods View Post
well if its not in the near future then **** it, waste of time. Im 17 i dont plan on playing games when im 30 like others, :(/facepalm


By "not in the near future" I meant it'd take a bit of time to get it fully up. I trust that the people who are actually working on it will be able to get some kind of alpha or beta test server up in a few months if they work hard at it.
02-01-2011, 05:12 AM #40
Originally posted by Owns View Post
Also, you said it was just a security workaround? The problem is, Sony still OWN the PSN and can easily ban accounts and patch security workarounds...

So you'd have to create an entire new network for users to access.

Also, to the people expressing concerns about everyone hacking, you'd still be able to be banned from our network.

Basically all it'd be would be PSN for people who were banned from the official PSN.

---------- Post added at 12:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 AM ----------



By "not in the near future" I meant it'd take a bit of time to get it fully up. I trust that the people who are actually working on it will be able to get some kind of alpha or beta test server up in a few months if they work hard at it.


O ic! well in that case :420:

Although a few months is long for me, Are you in the conference thats gonna happen tomarrow about this all i think on skype?
02-01-2011, 05:18 AM #41
skatin707
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Originally posted by Owns View Post
Also, you said it was just a security workaround? The problem is, Sony still OWN the PSN and can easily ban accounts and patch security workarounds...

So you'd have to create an entire new network for users to access.

Also, to the people expressing concerns about everyone hacking, you'd still be able to be banned from our network.

Basically all it'd be would be PSN for people who were banned from the official PSN.


Not quite. Sony cannot ban us because we are not using their network. There is a lot more to it. My lawyer broke it down for me.

Our network? Eek

Originally posted by ImmortalMods View Post
O ic! well in that case :420:

Although a few months is long for me, Are you in the conference thats gonna happen tomarrow about this all i think on skype?


I don't think he will be.
02-01-2011, 05:19 AM #42
Originally posted by skatin707 View Post
Not quite. Sony cannot ban us because we are not using their network. There is a lot more to it. My lawyer broke it down for me.

Our network? Eek



I don't think he will be.


why do you say that?
02-01-2011, 05:29 AM #43
skatin707
Deep Sea Diving
Just because Winky Winky
02-01-2011, 06:17 AM #44
Yes NGU could implement a system like give 1 month free for premium or pay a certain fee to join the server. 5$ a month seems resonoable because since ngu has over 250,00 active users it would be around $1,250,00 thats a lot of money... enough to host a server for many of us monthly
02-01-2011, 06:25 AM #45
demize
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Originally posted by midnightClub543 View Post
Yes NGU could implement a system like give 1 month free for premium or pay a certain fee to join the server. 5$ a month seems resonoable because since ngu has over 250,00 active users it would be around $1,250,00 thats a lot of money... enough to host a server for many of us monthly


It would be nice for them to team up with us. If they decide to come to us and help us out we would be willing to comply with that. Although that is not spoken of right now. There may also be parties outside of NGU that would like to do the same. But it's speculation right now. First thing's first and that's getting the server's setup which we are working on and to start the coding side of thing's this weekend if possible. Believe me when I say we are gonna pour out everything we have into this project. It's gonna be a fun ride Smile
02-01-2011, 06:31 AM #46
CHAOZ
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Originally posted by Owns View Post
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i like this idea, alot.

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