Post: Why Sony will lose the court case.
01-18-2011, 08:12 PM #1
DaRKnEzZ-
Formerly Known as xFlex0-
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As the judge is likely to have no clue what anyone is talking about in this case, he is going to look back to previous, similar cases for a legal precedent, and the most recent, and similar is going to be the case that Apple LOST over the jailbreaking of iPhones.

If courts can tell Apple that there is no way they can use "Possiblity for piracy" as a defence against jailbreaking the iPhone, and that in fact jailbreaking an iPhone is now perfectly legal, then there is no possible way that they can say that Sony, who are using the same reason to sue Geohot, are in the right.
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01-19-2011, 01:54 AM #20
DaRKnEzZ-
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Originally posted by juggalo View Post
Sorry might be a dumb question, but take the xbox for example isn't the JTAG illegal? So wouldn't it be illegal to do this to the ps3? It's not exactly a jtag cause i think you mess with the hardware, but i've never jtag or jailbroken my ps3 or 360


I really do not have a clue what is involved with jtagging a 360, so i'm not too sure!

I know it's more complex then simply putting a file onto a USB though Happy
01-19-2011, 02:09 AM #21
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Originally posted by DaRKnEzZ
I really do not have a clue what is involved with jtagging a 360, so i'm not too sure!

I know it's more complex then simply putting a file onto a USB though Happy


lol, i no its more then a usb, but i do agree just cause of the jailbrake thing if sony wins apple will be some pissed off people

thanks for responding though Smile
01-19-2011, 03:13 PM #22
they then should ban people whio put a new HDD in ps3 because they modd it.

or better go to court.

i agree that it should be my console and i should do to it what ever i want to it.

if they have a problem with there own programming of bugs and hacks what will mod a gamelplay is there problem i pay up to 65 euros + addons or maps for a multiplayer game like cod.
so why cant they do there job and fix it.
01-19-2011, 03:36 PM #23
boss10000
Like A.....
Originally posted by tenerifekid View Post
they then should ban people whio put a new HDD in ps3 because they modd it.

or better go to court.

i agree that it should be my console and i should do to it what ever i want to it.

if they have a problem with there own programming of bugs and hacks what will mod a gamelplay is there problem i pay up to 65 euros + addons or maps for a multiplayer game like cod.
so why cant they do there job and fix it.


one adding a new HDD is not editing the software, or programs

two nothing is un hackable give a hacker 4 years to try to hack one code (the PSN root key) they are going to get it, put it this way a e.g. a code is 1,000,000 digits they will be made up of 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 you just need to go through all 9,999,999 possible combinations, its jsut a matter of time and if you were dedicated to hacking that you would spend 4 years on it. so its not sony's fault nothing is truely un hackable especially somthing which a person can buy in a shop and do anything they wat to in secrete with it.
01-19-2011, 06:01 PM #24
JackC
I am error
Originally posted by DaRKnEzZ
You clearly do not know what precedent is..


In my experience, I was 13 and school and a boy through a teddy accross the classroom and it hit a striplight on the roof which wasn't covered by a case. The light smashed and a piece of glass fell and lacerated my face from the top of my ear to halfway down my jaw - 21 external stiches and 10 internal. There was no member of staff in the class at the time observing us which could of prevented it.

It went to court and there was thousands of cases where people had only had a minor injury and got up to £7500, which lead my barrister to believe we had a very good chance of winning, as most types of these cases were won, as I was the innocent party and the school had a duty of care to conform too.

The judge found the school/county council not guilty as "there was no possible way to forsee this event happening, and the lights didn't require a cover on them" . I didn't get a penny.

After all the other "subsequent cases with similar issues or facts"; sometimes it just doesn't apply.
01-19-2011, 06:05 PM #25
DaRKnEzZ-
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Originally posted by JackC View Post
In my experience, I was 13 and school and a boy through a teddy accross the classroom and it hit a striplight on the roof which wasn't covered by a case. The light smashed and a piece of glass fell and lacerated my face from the top of my ear to halfway down my jaw - 21 external stiches and 10 internal. There was no member of staff in the class at the time observing us which could of prevented it.

It went to court and there was thousands of cases where people had only had a minor injury and got up to £7500, which lead my barrister to believe we had a very good chance of winning, as most types of these cases were won, as I was the innocent party and the school had a duty of care to conform too.

The judge found the school/county council not guilty as "there was no possible way to forsee this event happening, and the lights didn't require a cover on them" . I didn't get a penny.

After all the other cases and with the "subsequent cases with similar issues or facts"; sometimes it just doesn't apply.


That's because there have been many cases of it before, therefore there will be a set of rules surrounding this sort of case.

However, there has only been one case involving jailbreaking, therefore there isn't a set of rulings surrounding the case, so the judge is bound by precedent from previous cases.

I got an A level in law, I know what I'm talking about :y:

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01-19-2011, 06:07 PM #26
Frank The Tank
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but does that jailbreak on the iphone affect millions of users? No, it only affects 1 person. I would happily agree to a jailbroken ps3 if people werent stupid about its use. The fact is its causing to many problems for a extreme amount of people.
01-19-2011, 06:12 PM #27
JackC
I am error
Point well made! - I doubt Sony will win. But there is only one thing I don't understand about the terms and conditions... It says about

"Do not perform updates using any data other than the official update data provided by Sony Computer Entertainment over a network or on disc media, and do not perform updates by methods other than those described in the product documentation or in this site. If an update is performed using data from another source, by another method, or with a PS3 system that has been altered or modified in any way, the PS3 system may not operate properly and may not be able to install the official update data. Any of these actions may void the PS3 system warranty and affect your ability to obtain warranty services and repair services from Sony Computer Entertainment.

I cant find anywhere in this where it forbids users from installing updates via usb, and it never says they will ban you for it, just void the warranty and could make it not function correctly.

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01-19-2011, 06:19 PM #28
DaRKnEzZ-
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Originally posted by Frank
but does that jailbreak on the iphone affect millions of users? No, it only affects 1 person. I would happily agree to a jailbroken ps3 if people werent stupid about its use. The fact is its causing to many problems for a extreme amount of people.


Installing CFW on your PS3 doesn't affect millions of users, it only affects your PS3.

Geohot didn't create the CFW so that noobs can screw up MW2, he created so you can run homebrew apps on your PS3.

Even if Geohot wins this case, Sony will still have every right to ban people who are hacking online games.

---------- Post added at 06:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:17 PM ----------

Originally posted by JackC View Post
Point well made! - I doubt Sony will win. But there is only one thing I don't understand about the terms and conditions... It says about

"Do not perform updates using any data other than the official update data provided by Sony Computer Entertainment over a network or on disc media, and do not perform updates by methods other than those described in the product documentation or in this site. If an update is performed using data from another source, by another method, or with a PS3 system that has been altered or modified in any way, the PS3 system may not operate properly and may not be able to install the official update data. Any of these actions may void the PS3 system warranty and affect your ability to obtain warranty services and repair services from Sony Computer Entertainment.

I cant find anywhere in this where it forbids users from installing updates via usb, and it never says they will ban you for it, just void the warranty and could make it not function correctly.


I thought exactly the same thing when i read it Happy

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