Post: The the Universe, its size, contents and more..
01-23-2011, 11:04 PM #1
iikCii
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Thought I would start a thread on the universe, a pretty big topic if you stop and think about it.

For example, think of the size. First look at your phone, ipod and anything small, then compare it to the size of your house, what about the the size of your city or the world. It makes it seem tiny, we can see how big our galaxy and our neighbours, we can see just how big that is. Now think our this group of galaxy's and think of it being the size of your phone compared to the world. Then think of that being your phone, it blows your mind, there has to be some other lifeforms out there, or planets almost identical to earth, the thoughts are endless. Tell me what you think Smile

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01-28-2011, 06:39 AM #38
Originally posted by cookies420 View Post
Lets say I watch alot of history channel and super nova, As for the supernatural like I said I can't explain it or show prove but they happened to me minor but pretty crazy to my family. Also wikipedia is a horrible source. You can go to the right and edit what ever you want, if it sounds right then it goes through. Just because something sounds right doesn't make it true


Wikipedia isnt a valid source, yea your right. But I think its fine in this case because im only using Wikipedia to show you THEORIES, not facts. THey're just theories on how the population could become extinct.

And yeah, i guess its impossible to proove something supernatural, but still... Its hard to believe.
01-28-2011, 07:34 AM #39
Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
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Experiences like that can be explained away as vivid hallucinations. There is no evidence that what they saw was real. It may have been real to them, real in their minds, but not in what others perceive as reality. I just mentioned the dreams because it was an odd experience that could be explained with a coincidence.



Wrong.



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We are the only intelligent lifeforms on earth because we are the dominant lifeforms. We don't give other lifeforms the chance to grow and learn before we kill them off. There are some that are able to escape our reach, but they are confined to small or empty areas if we can't get to them. Actually, it's quite likely that the dominant species of each planets has developed intelligence if you think about it.



It doesn't matter the obstacle, human kind WILL NOT stop until it gets what it wants, regardless of how long it has to work for it. Space exploration (and development for that matter) will continue to take place until we've been wiped out.



This is just plain ignorance, if the last of a specific gender dies, we are extinct. People can be killed easily. So there's no reason that we couldn't make ourselves extinct.



The universe contains everything. Unless you're talking about parallel realities, but I really don't see how those apply. You should be telling me to narrow my view, because you still only really talk about earth and objects close to it. There's nothing else that you brought up that I haven't already looked at. Paranormal, earth, humanity, moon, mars, size of the universe, parallel realities, etc.


how is it a vivid hallutionation when multiple people see/hear/live the same thing on different occaions. (my family) and other people I know

We are the dominat life forms for such a short period of time that other life forms and they are still the same as day one. Dinosaurs were the dominant life forms but they didnt create techonlogy and create and build societys.

We can't make ourselves extinct because we cant. People want to live and survive and will do anything to stop it. If all the nukes were release there will be a refugee camps, and we will rebuild as we dont have enough firpower to destroy earth. If everyone wanted to die and we went to a location to die with a nuke then yea we will be extinct but we are not able to as thats how we are programed. We can't extinct the human race because we don't all think the same.

You cant just think about the universe, you have to think outside yet still inside. Think about all the occurances that happen within our universe but cannot be satified with the universes laws


Originally posted by rishay87 View Post
Wikipedia isnt a valid source, yea your right. But I think its fine in this case because im only using Wikipedia to show you THEORIES, not facts. THey're just theories on how the population could become extinct.

And yeah, i guess its impossible to proove something supernatural, but still... Its hard to believe.


I read your article on human extintion again and those are valid points but when it comes human kind kextincting our species to disease and warfare, it wont cause extinction. As all disease can kill millions but also humans can become immune to it and even build a vacine and plus bacteria isnt man made. As for warfare we cant destroy earth and we can hide in earth. You can kill many with weapons but many will still think and survive
01-28-2011, 07:50 AM #40
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Videos: [ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lxbzgwW7I]YouTube - Size Of The Universe[/ame]

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8&feature=related]YouTube - Journey to the Edge of the Universe[/ame]

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQouX5U0fc&feature=related]YouTube - How Large is the Universe?[/ame]
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01-28-2011, 12:22 PM #41
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We still haven't discovered the whole universe
01-28-2011, 03:25 PM #42
iikCii
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Originally posted by PsychoXReaper View Post
We still haven't discovered the whole universe


Many generations until that will happen unfortunately :(
01-28-2011, 03:52 PM #43
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I like that last video! Haha and in the first video, the last sentence is funny =D "The universe is VERY, VERY, big"

And in the second one, the guy is like "Urinis" haha like he's trying to avoid saying "UrANUS" Upside Down Happy
01-29-2011, 12:23 AM #44
E0000B6FAF25838
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Originally posted by cookies420 View Post
how is it a vivid hallutionation when multiple people see/hear/live the same thing on different occaions. (my family) and other people I know


It's called the power of suggestion. Sometimes, people who are superstitious will have an experience resembling an experience someone else told them about. The power of suggestion is an amazing that, it could even cause hallucinations in people who are overly superstitious. (Mass hysteria is an example of this, where sometimes people will begin to exhibit symptoms of a disease that they think is spreading without actually contracting the disease. Yeah, it's pretty cool.)

Even if the people didn't tell others about their experience until they heard someone else's story, people tend to follow the crowd, and the major similarities in the hallucinations will be brought to light, while the minor differences will be left out, to make the story more interesting. And then over time the person forgets those minor differences altogether, tricking themselves into believing the minor differences never existed. It can all be explained away.

Originally posted by another user
We are the dominat life forms for such a short period of time that other life forms and they are still the same as day one. Dinosaurs were the dominant life forms but they didnt create techonlogy and create and build societys.


A dominant species probably needs to evolve to a certain point before it can achieve intelligence. If tigers became the dominant species on earth, it wouldn't mean they would instantly achieve intelligence. Some species may not even be able to achieve intelligence, even WITH evolution. But just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't a possibility.

Originally posted by another user
We can't make ourselves extinct because we cant. People want to live and survive and will do anything to stop it. If all the nukes were release there will be a refugee camps, and we will rebuild as we dont have enough firpower to destroy earth. If everyone wanted to die and we went to a location to die with a nuke then yea we will be extinct but we are not able to as thats how we are programed. We can't extinct the human race because we don't all think the same.


Regardless of human nature, we do have the potential to destroy humans. If some guy managed to commit mass genocide by himself, he could very well kill off everyone. Just because humans would try to avoid it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Originally posted by another user
You cant just think about the universe, you have to think outside yet still inside. Think about all the occurances that happen within our universe but cannot be satified with the universes laws


? Nothing can happen in this universe that can't be satisfied with the universe's laws. They're the laws. Everything obeys them, no exceptions. If something doesn't obey the laws, it's not in this universe.

Originally posted by another user
I read your article on human extintion again and those are valid points but when it comes human kind kextincting our species to disease and warfare, it wont cause extinction. As all disease can kill millions but also humans can become immune to it and even build a vacine and plus bacteria isnt man made. As for warfare we cant destroy earth and we can hide in earth. You can kill many with weapons but many will still think and survive


As I said, it is possible. Maybe not likely, not easy, but DEFINITELY possible.
01-29-2011, 01:48 AM #45
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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
Probability is an illusion. If I have a bag with a white marble and a black marble in it, the probability of me pulling out a white marble is 1 in 2. However, I can just as easily pull a white marble out, put it back in, and pull the same marble out again. The odds of that are 1 in 4. However, regardless of the probability of doing something, it is still possible to do it. The odds of pulling a white marble out of the bag multiple times in a row are 1 in 2^x (where x = number of times you draw a marble). The odds of doing it 13 times in a row would be 1 in 8192, but it's still possible.


Giving an example of probability does not prove that probability is an illusion. What do you mean by that anyway? That doesn't make sense. I also never made any sort of claim regarding impossibilities.

Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
Probability has no bearing on anything, so your statement should have been "At small scales nothing is certain," as nothing is a case of probability.


Wrong. Absolutely, 100% wrong. EVERYTHING is a case of probability. Elementary particles are governed entirely by probability. A single electron can be at a single location, 15 locations at once, or nowhere at all. You can determine the probability of it being in a given spot, at a given velocity, etc., but you can't give concrete details. Einstein was quoted as saying "God does not play dice" because he was so disturbed by this. Nonetheless, this IS the way the universe works. It has been experimentally verified tenfold.

These are the best non-mathematical videos I could find on the subject (Lectures from Richard Feynman):

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Originally posted by lolwhut View Post
Elaborate please. I don't quite understand what you are saying. I understand your logic that by causation everything can be traced back to the building blocks of the universe, however what is not deterministic about these particles? Certain properties about them are inconstant yes, but the particles themselves are constant entities no?


In addition to the information I posted above, I'll add some more. The wave function is a superposition of all possible states of a particle. You can determine the behavior of a particle based on these probabilities. This means that there is a (infinitesimally) small probability that, for example, one of the electrons in your body suddenly appears on mars.

There's also the well-known Heisenberg uncertainty principle which says that certain properties of particles cannot be simultaneously known, like position and velocity.

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Where x is position, p is momentum, and the h-looking symbol is Plank's constant (h) divided by 2 pi.


What this basically means is that an effect following a cause can only be predicted based on probabilities instead of concrete information. If there was a truly random coin that landed on heads 90% of the time and tails 10% of the time, you would expect to flip heads on your first go. If you indeed flipped heads, then you weren't predetermined to get heads because the event was completely probabilistic in nature. You COULD have flipped tails. The argument for determinism is that, given enough information about the starting conditions in the universe, you COULD in theory predict every possible event. Quantum uncertainty means that no event can be predicted with 100% accuracy.

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01-29-2011, 02:01 AM #46
Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
It's called the power of suggestion. Sometimes, people who are superstitious will have an experience resembling an experience someone else told them about. The power of suggestion is an amazing that, it could even cause hallucinations in people who are overly superstitious. (Mass hysteria is an example of this, where sometimes people will begin to exhibit symptoms of a disease that they think is spreading without actually contracting the disease. Yeah, it's pretty cool.)

Even if the people didn't tell others about their experience until they heard someone else's story, people tend to follow the crowd, and the major similarities in the hallucinations will be brought to light, while the minor differences will be left out, to make the story more interesting. And then over time the person forgets those minor differences altogether, tricking themselves into believing the minor differences never existed. It can all be explained away.



A dominant species probably needs to evolve to a certain point before it can achieve intelligence. If tigers became the dominant species on earth, it wouldn't mean they would instantly achieve intelligence. Some species may not even be able to achieve intelligence, even WITH evolution. But just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it wasn't a possibility.



Regardless of human nature, we do have the potential to destroy humans. If some guy managed to commit mass genocide by himself, he could very well kill off everyone. Just because humans would try to avoid it doesn't mean it's not possible.



? Nothing can happen in this universe that can't be satisfied with the universe's laws. They're the laws. Everything obeys them, no exceptions. If something doesn't obey the laws, it's not in this universe.



As I said, it is possible. Maybe not likely, not easy, but DEFINITELY possible.


We are just going in circles. Supernatural is real wether you believe it or not. There are different types, my uncle saw the devil and never thinks or believes in religion but he saw him and he was so ugly it couldnt be decribed in words. My cousin of same age (17) saw a white figure on his tv when he was alone and said he needed to be batised. Whenever his parents left he would appear on screen and one time he asked to see him and he got close and he got scared (not cuz he was ulgy but he looked so life like) he then got batised again and he never appeared again. My older cousin was going upstairs and heard such a loud noise, it sounded awful like all the dishes on the shelf feel and broke. When he got there they were normal. Name thing happened to my uncle. Also my moms family is of 13 kids and we feel that angels are looking out for them. One time my uncle whn little was playing on the street and got hit by a car and did a backflip and landed on his feet perfectly, he was so scated he thought his pee was blood, my other uncle jumped off our house in mexico(its high) with a cape and an umbrella and hit the ground, he barely got hurt. Even some sidekicks are legit, not the ones that advertise but the ones that lay low are the real ones i honestly scares the shit of me and dont deal with them. All of those things dont follow the universe but is part of the universe.

It is impossible for any species besides our own to be intelligent. Since the beginning of man we have been intelligent. We have the qualitys that no other species have

If one man did genocide he wouldnt success in extinction. He may kill millions or billions of people but we will always have a good chunch of humans left. The universe wont allow such a thing to happen

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