(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So I came across some people today talking about the day of science. Now that provoked me to think, why should gays automatically get our respect? I asked some of them and they said it was because they were born that way. Thet they have no choice. Now being the person I am, I was thinking "proof or gtfo" lol. So what do you think? Are gays really born that way? I personally say no.

Okay let me stop you right there- how old are you? You don't say "I'm not hating on any gays" just to go on to say "I also explained how they could be gay by simply being born in the wrong body". Wow... /facepalm

People will come to know me in the debate section as I'm likely to become exceptionally active here. This debate is one I wanted to answer yesterday, but I needed to read this carefully and prepare my response or I'd have seriously upset people. I will likely offend people with this post anyway, but you know what. If you're offended by this post, you probably deserve it.


OK, Wow. I didn't think there where people this ****ing stupid still in this world. People should automatically get your respect as human beings, gay or not. They lose your respect when they do/say something deserving of derision, much like you have here, and they earn continued and even higher respect for doing/saying things of value and merit. I shall make this really simple for you. Yes gay people are bloody born that way, and I will prove it, but first I will check the rest of the debate, to make sure I'm not repeating points.


You have the typing skills of a child of seven. Seriously, learn English. The reason there appeared to be less people in USA 100 years ago IS IT WAS ****ING ILLEGAL! They where still there, they just didn't tell anyone you ****ing idiot.


Actually, influence in childhood makes no difference at all. Gay people are born gay, simple as that. Society can cause gay people to act straight out of fear, guilt etc. but even if they're lying to themselves every day, it doesn't change the fact that they're gay and I could prove every gay person with an autopsy. Their brains are formed differently as I will explain in a bit.


Your imaginary friend doesn't get to dictate what is true and what isn't. Sorry, reality doesn't work that way.

(at this point I skipped to the last page because Norman was pissing me off, his ignorance and passive attempts at proselytizing where bordering on offensive.)



Now, considering that 61% of you clicked “no” on that poll has made me rather upset with the forum. I was hoping for more reasonable intelligent people on average on this forum than this. But I will make this clear. If you clicked “no”. YOU ARE WRONG! This is not a debate, this is fact. You are simply wrong. Let me count the ways.

There are multiple formative differences in homosexual and heterosexual people, the most notable of these is in the formation of the brain (and yes, this is set from birth and impossible to change). In homosexuals, the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus, (the hypothalamus being the part of the brain that regulates the nervous system, controls hunger, thirst, fatigue, sleep, hormone secretion, circadian cycle and sex drive), is significantly smaller. The cells are also more densely packed and have a more tense membrane. Discovered by Dr. LeVay in 1991 and published in the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, San Diego, CA 92186.
The anterior commissure is also larger in gays than in straights, a part of the brain used for connecting the two hemispheres of the brain, it's also used to regulate pain meaning not only do gay people have a lower pain threshold, but they feel more pain from emotional distress than straights. Discovered by Laura Allen and Roger Gorski in 1991 of University of California, Los Angeles.
Gay peoples brains also react differently to Fluoxetine, a selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor class antidepressant due to the differences in brain structure, as such gay people are more likely to experience serotonin deficiencies, which can result in eating disorders and are less receptive to antidepressants and thus more likely to develop depression and anxiety dissorders. Discovered by Dr's Kinnunen, Moltz, Metz and Cooper in 2004 of University of Chicago.
The most telling however is surprisingly the amygdala (that's the part of the brain that's responsible for our animal instincts, fear, lust and memory. It processes emotional reactions and is the part of the brain than enables us to use logic rather than our base instincts. It is one of the most important parts of the brain for differentiating humans from other animals). The amygdala in gays is more densely packed and capable of more neural activity than that of straight people. What this means is gay people are capable of controlling their temper and lusts easier, have greater short term memory capabilties and are able to have longer and more intense orgasms than straight people. Discovered in 2007 by Dr's. Safron, Barch, Bailey et al, in 2007 for Northwestern University, Evanston. IL 60208 USA.

If you don't believe that gay people are born gay there are only 3 possible reasons.

1. You had not read enough on the subject and formed an opinion before you'd reasonably read the medical data on the subject in which case you're simply ignorant and I hope this post has changed that.
2. You know this information but choose to ignore it because you don't want it to be true because you're a homophobic douche who can't bare to admit that gay people are not evil. In which case you're a bigoted liar.
3. You don't care to look it up, you hate gay people regardless and no-one will change your mind. In which case you are a hate filled pathetic excuse for a human being and I have no respect nor compassion for you.

This is all I have to say on the matter. I sincerely hope this has given a few people some food for thought because quite frankly as a gaming website, 61% of those who took part in this debate disagreeing with the facts is a rather damning number and reflects badly on all gamers.

Get over it, this guy is unbelievable. I have lost respect for him in debates. Even if I get infracted for this, he is a coward. He posts flames and reacts like a 12 year old, and he realizes he screwed up so he either edits or deletes his post, here for an example You must login or register to view this content. Look down to my post to see what he said.


Okay first off, this doesn't help your case. For instance, let's use Hitler as an example, after the holocaust someone accuses him of hating Jews, he replies with, "Actually no I don't hate the Jews." Then someone accuses him again and he replies with, "Were you even paying attention I said I don't hate them."

I don't think you hate gays. You do go off a bit homophobic though.

You bring good points, but you must control your temper. I promise you forcing your opinion on others won't work, and will probably end on an infraction and loss of credibility.

I understand why you are upset, but I promise you react in a more calming manner and you will see better results. You also need to stop bringing in other debates into this thread "Your imaginary friend doesn't get to dictate what is true and what isn't. Sorry, reality doesn't work that way." You could have phrased this better by saying more along the lines of, "You should not bring your own personal religion into this as not all people are adopted to this faith"

You have good info to offer, don't get me wrong. I find some of what you posted interesting and informative. It has changed my perspective some. Anyways, keep posting, but do not post in this manner.

PS: I bolded where you were forceful on your beliefs (I'm calling them beliefs for the sake of the debate)

I have to strongly disagree, past experiences and the environment around you(primarily when growing up) strongly influence your personality and the type of person you turn out to be, I don't see why not for sexuality as well. You have genes of one sort or another for every aspect of your personality but you'll find more often than that your experiences and environment growing up play a much bigger role.

You bring good points, but you must control your temper. I promise you forcing your opinion on others won't work, and will probably end on an infraction and loss of credibility.

I understand why you are upset, but I promise you react in a more calming manner and you will see better results. You also need to stop bringing in other debates into this thread "Your imaginary friend doesn't get to dictate what is true and what isn't. Sorry, reality doesn't work that way." You could have phrased this better by saying more along the lines of, "You should not bring your own personal religion into this as not all people are adopted to this faith"

You have good info to offer, don't get me wrong. I find some of what you posted interesting and informative. It has changed my perspective some. Anyways, keep posting, but do not post in this manner.

PS: I bolded where you were forceful on your beliefs (I'm calling them beliefs for the sake of the debate)

I agree, I was still too harsh and I kinda wish I'd curbed the swearing but to be fair I feel my anger was justified. This is a topic I (for obvious reasons), feel very strongly about and I guarentee from my perspective the posts of the Topics OP where far more offensive and incensitive than anything I've wrote or will right.


As it was Norman who brought up the subject of God I felt it was justifiable to argue this point. It's his reasoning for being anti-gay and therefore relevant. True I wasn't respectful of his religious beliefs, and I never will be, if this causes issues I'll avoid talking about religion on the forums. I will give religious beliefs the same respect as I would give Astrology or Tarrot Card readings. To give his beliefs false respect would be disrespectful to the person in question, and the concept of reason. It's not him I'm dismissing, it's his beliefs. I am capable of respecting a person without respecting their beliefs or opinions, and I firmly believe that giving religion undue respect gives it far too much power and influence over people. If this comes across as arrogant, I apologise. I'm sure however, I'm not alone in this way of thinking and if you replaced "God" in Normans posts with "The alignment of Saturn", it would almost certainly seem less brash to be so dismissive.


It's not forceful, it's honest. I've provided solid evidence of a medical nature showing my reasoning. Sometime the truth is painful, sometime it comes across as mean. I'll temper myself if need-be. I feel it's only right to be blatent and honest in everything I do, if someone is outright wrong, I will tell them.

Out of all the bolded statements I feel I should defend some of them, but others where a little too strong.

"If you clicked “no”. YOU ARE WRONG!" - Statement of fact. I made it impactive, even sensationalist sure. But this isn't me forcing my opinion, it's me stating a fact... just one that a lot of people won't want to hear, especially as I'm in the minority here.

"61% of those who took part in this debate disagreeing with the facts is a rather damning number and reflects badly on all gamers." - This is a rather upsetting one for me. As this is currently the most active gaming forum on the internet, by quite a long way, we are representative of gamers. As a gamer, to outsiders we are often victims of misinformation, told we're violent, antisocial etc. I don't like this. I like to present myself as a decent well rounded person and I would hope other gamers would want the same. I am personally ashamed and embarrased by the group I identify by most frequently being more than half either ignorant of the facts, or homophobic. It shows the immaturity and bigotry present in the gaming community. I find this saddening, don't you?

Now, like I said, I expected this post to be offensive to some, it contains truths that are hard for some to swallow, and if I end up warned by a moderator for my language or my tone I will happily put my hands up and admit I went to far, but if the contents of that post is disagreeable, then I chose this forum too soon... I'd rather not look for somewhere else. I feel I backed up my arguments and I doubt any reasonable moderator would disagree but I apreciate your warnings over possible repercussions. I'm used to such things, after all, my opinions are strong, my confidence unwavering and my reasoning is usually sound. I debate as a hobby both online and off, I don't expect everyone to take what I say without offense, but I never outright flame or attack someone purposely. I hope this is clear from the small sample of posts I've posted so far.

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While what you're saying is perfectly true, sexuality isn't a personality trait. It's biology and impossible to change. It would be like trying to change gender by altering your personality and surroundings. Sure, there are girls who act like "tom boys". They wear mens clothes, have short hair, play sports, avoid all things feminine, but it doesn't matter how hard they try, they will never grow a penis. They are female, whether they like it or not. Even if they get a sex change, they're still female, their hormones, glands, DNA... it's all female. With sexuality, surgery isn't even an option, as it's changes to deep brain tissue (as I said in a previous post) that causes non-normal sexuality (be that bisexuality, asexuality or homosexuality). This never changes. You can change how you act, you can even brainwash yourself into believing you're a different sexuality if you try hard enough, but that's not changing the facts, that's manipulating the person.

Sure there's a notable gay culture, I won't deny that, but that's because the people feel segregated. They form cliqués and develop their own style. The style doesn't make them gay, the gays made the style. This couldn't be more true than now, when it's not unheard of for some straight men to adopt the gay style in fashion, music etc. which have adopted the term "metrosexual".

It's all good, but just remember to be respective of other people's beliefs.

they are not born that way.... it's like this When they grow up like 14-19 something like that is what they get to attached to like boys. it's not are buisness anyways but i am saying kids are not born that way.