Post: Site Suffering
08-04-2011, 05:43 AM #1
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Why this site has gone downhill lately
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This site had so much potential....notice I said "had".

Shall we begin? Where do we start? Well I will get us started;

I joined this site a few months ago. I was google searching for hacks/cracks for various games and software, etc. I noticed this site was in vBulletin, which appealed to me. In my time in forums I noticed that ones using paid software such as; vBulletin, IPBoard, etc. tend to last longer, and keep their maintenance up to date. Upon joining and making my first few posts I noticed quickly how unprofessional staff are here. I was told that my posts were too short and I was "warned" not to post like that again. This action is common on forums, each forum has it's own set of rules and standards, no biggie right? Wrong. That notification I received was posted on my visitor wall for all guests to see. Anyone who has staffed anywhere knows you never approach someone in public unless there is an immediate threat to the security of the site. The back and forth continued with that staff member for a few posts until we reached an understanding.

I later posted a thread which contained a compilation of the works of some coders here on in the threads. It involved a phisher that I would custom code, the way the code worked though is that you would have to setup a fake gmail account so I could code it to connect to the gmail smtp server. The alternative to that was, I would tell you how to install vb express from microsoft and explain to you how to build the program yourself. This thread was removed because staff accused me of phishing for gmails. Now here is the funny part, first they say I must include a virus scan, now when I finally get them to understand that the program does not exist, it's on my pc, they then accuse it of being a phisher. Well they were right, to some degree, the program does phish for youtube and paypal accounts, as advertised, but they were saying I was phishing for gmails. Now people why would I ask you to setup a fake gmail account and then phish it from you? Why would I offer the code and explain to you how to create the software yourself? Again we are dealing with people moderating sections of the forum that they have no knowledge in.

I had a post removed where I was offering some databases for sale, that was removed because I was and am still under the 100 post count. This is fine with me, and I can respect that.

I later had another post removed involving windows 7 secret modes, I was accused this time of posting a dupe. I then had to explain to the staff the the original poster only included 1 hidden mode for windows 7, where as my thread was complete and contained all 14 (I believe it was 14) modes. That thread was later re-instated. The staff member that handled that was mature and cordial. Although this matter was yet again handled publicly for all to see on my wall and his alike.

There a few premium members that like to jump on threads and accuse the poster of stealing threads from else where, or saying that because the new guy only has 20 posts then his program must contain a virus. Staff needs to investigate these allegations and if they prove to be false, the accuser needs to be labeled appropriately. It's discouraging for a new person that actually knows what he is doing to be accused of making a program containing a virus when they have spent hours or even days creating something unique to share with the community. Not all premium members do this, and some help out more than mods do, but there are a lot that choose to spam threads instead of contributing something constructing to share with everyone else.

I mod and admin 3 other sites. They are successful sites, we have donators, they become vips. If the vips do not follow the rules as outlined, they are canned, and their money is refunded. The reason for this is, we encourage everyone to help out where they can. This is the only way a forum survives. Without new members becoming vips, then the site server fees suffer, as only the chosen few in essence end up running the site over the mods and admins, because staff is more concerned about turning a profit than the community itself.

I have taken the time to make this thread. I know staff will remove it, which again is unprofessional, all criticism should be welcome, and this is posted in the General Discussion section of the forum, so there is no reason this thread should be removed. If the staff do not take the time to start listening to it's members then people are going to start to realize that there is a little site out there called google that can provide them with 100's of other communities that may better suit their needs.

I have been in the torrenting / warez / hacking / coding community for years. I am a member of a well known group of HD-Encoders, and I may be a jerk if provoked, all in all I'm a nice person. I have a lot to contribute to the community, but that's only if staff will let me. A side note, my thread where I gave out free invites to private tracker sites was never messed with by staff...lol.

If the staff / admins here would like some more information about this topic, feel free to contact me, via PM. It's very unprofessional to ask people to carry a conversation, while listening to rap music on mod 'x' profile and I refuse to do it any further.
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08-04-2011, 01:20 PM #20
Originally posted by Winning View Post
Don't be a wiener, you and me both know it happens.


No, honestly I do not. I stick to PS3 Questions, Minecraft & Premium sections predominantly, so I've never come across a staff member acting out of line. If it happens as often as people make out, shouldn't you be able to provide an example?
08-04-2011, 01:20 PM #21
+tA.Daisho
Crumpets and tea?
Originally posted by Clutch
This is the 3rd post of this nature I've decided to reply to today... and again, can I please have an example?


I don't normally reply to garbage threads like that mostly because in this case they are started by users have have no clue what this site used to be like compared to now.

However to answer your question and justify this quote. Garf once stated "I only deal with premium members not normal members". Although Garf isn't staff anymore current staff members do on multiple occasions treat non premium members like crap on the basis they don't think anything or anybody will challenge them.
08-04-2011, 01:23 PM #22
Originally posted by tA.Daisho View Post
I don't normally reply to garbage threads like that mostly because in this case they are started by users have have no clue what this site used to be like compared to now.

However to answer your question and justify this quote. Garf once stated "I only deal with premium members not normal members". Although Garf isn't staff anymore current staff members do on multiple occasions treat non premium members like crap on the basis they don't think anything or anybody will challenge them.


Honestly, I've never come across that, especially from the current set of mods.

I hate having to keep asking for examples because I'm probably coming across as a total ass, but a recent example would be appreciated, not least so I can understand where all the complainers are coming from.
08-04-2011, 01:28 PM #23
+tA.Daisho
Crumpets and tea?
Originally posted by Clutch
Honestly, I've never come across that, especially from the current set of mods.

I hate having to keep asking for examples because I'm probably coming across as a total ass, but a recent example would be appreciated, not least so I can understand where all the complainers are coming from.


I'm not complaining over the current staff. Well maybe the news team but they have always been crap. I'm not going to give named examples because I'm smart enough to know where discussions like that lead. However most of the issues seem to orginate from staff attitudes towards others in the shoutbox. We have all seen examples of staff being rude or just plain stupid to others in there, if anybody opposes what they say they get sb banned.
08-04-2011, 01:34 PM #24
Originally posted by tA.Daisho View Post
I'm not complaining over the current staff. Well maybe the news team but they have always been crap. I'm not going to give named examples because I'm smart enough to know where discussions like that lead. However most of the issues seem to orginate from staff attitudes towards others in the shoutbox. We have all seen examples of staff being rude or just plain stupid to others in there, if anybody opposes what they say they get sb banned.


Clearly I spend too little time in the areas that matter, because in all honesty I still don't know what you're getting at.

I think I'm just gonna keep out of the whole discussion/complaining in this section, not least because I have no examples to work off of to understand where you're coming from :p
08-04-2011, 01:35 PM #25
i--DanieL_
Edgier than an octagon
Originally posted by Clutch
No, honestly I do not. I stick to PS3 Questions, Minecraft & Premium sections predominantly, so I've never come across a staff member acting out of line. If it happens as often as people make out, shouldn't you be able to provide an example?

I agree with you Clutch, the way people go on you think it would happens all the time. Personally, the only unfair treatment I have ever seen was with the whole Naruto hooplah. A large portion of the community were bullying him and the staff did near nothing to stop it. There was a thread made about him something along the lines of "Naruto is dead" and the thread severely flamed and insulted him. It was left open for a long time, I'm not sure if it still is.

Sticking with the Naruto controversy, another flame thread was made about him asking for him to be banned. A staff member closed that but said something along the lines of "Yeah he's annoying but we can't ban him" which I thought was VERY unprofessional. The staff should stop bulling on the site and punish those who engage in bulling to let everyone know that it's not acceptable.

Alot of that is from memory so don't expect it to be 100% correct but I believe that staff dealt with that issue terribly.
08-04-2011, 02:15 PM #26
Another thread complaning about the site? well atleast this one has some genuine reasons and I agree with the Private message warning I've been warned in the past and it's just posted on your profile.
08-04-2011, 02:26 PM #27
Jake
One Man Army
I've moved this to Site Suggestions as it's more that than anything else, but I've skim-read this and I don't see what your actual suggestion, proposal or even complaint is.

Throughout this you seem to be pleased with the way staff have treated you, so what is your concern? We do our best to monitor premium and non-premium members' behaviour, but we cannot delete their posts as soon as they post them, so we cannot stop them from flaming entirely. If you're tired of having accusations flown at you in your threads, just report the post as 'Off topic/flaming' and it will be deleted.

As I said, although I've moved this to Suggestions, what exactly are you suggesting?
08-04-2011, 02:30 PM #28
i--DanieL_
Edgier than an octagon
Originally posted by Dave
I've moved this to Site Suggestions as it's more that than anything else, but I've skim-read this and I don't see what your actual suggestion, proposal or even complaint is.

Throughout this you seem to be pleased with the way staff have treated you, so what is your concern? We do our best to monitor premium and non-premium members' behaviour, but we cannot delete their posts as soon as they post them, so we cannot stop them from flaming entirely. If you're tired of having accusations flown at you in your threads, just report the post as 'Off topic/flaming' and it will be deleted.

As I said, although I've moved this to Suggestions, what exactly are you suggesting?

Why did you move it to site suggestions if you don't even know what it's suggesting? :confused:

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