Originally posted by Millz59
People automatically assume that one is narrow minded or ignorant, stupid, bible thumpers etc. if they are against gay marriage. Alright now let us examine this on a somewhat educated level shall we?
Sure, I'm always open to new ideas and bashing down flawed ones.
Originally posted by another user
Same sex marriage isn't a civil right.
...which is the problem.
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Gays should be treated fairly in society; there's no doubt about that.
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Disallowing gays rights that heterosexuals have is unfair treatment. It couldn't be much more simple.
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But please do keep in mind that doesn't automatically follow with a change in the definition of marriage. Marriage is for the purpose of procreation.
Nonsense. It is for the purpose of declaring your love for your other half, same sex or opposite, and committing to spend the rest of your life with them for better or worse. If it were truly about procreation then how come straight infertile couples can get married? Exactly. Because it isn't really about procreation at all. For you, it's about keeping it purely for straight couples and you'll make whatever excuses you can to make sure that is the case. Otherwise, I'd like to see your mistreatment extend to infertile straight couples, for the sake of fairness.
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Most same sex marriage advocates claim that the issue is one of civil rights, and they say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage in the past. This is a terribly false analogy that doesn't make any sense.
It does make sense. Both same-sex couples and interracial couples have been wrongly and unfairly discriminated against when it comes to marriage. Once same-sex marriage is legalised(properly), it'll become the norm much like interracial marriage.
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The major problem I have with the supporters of gay marriage is that they are very young.
It's called progress. Younger generations tend to develop their own ethics and morals differently from their parents and grandparents, that's how societal values work.
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They are misinformed that it's natural and it's human nature to love what we want to love.
Actually, you are misinformed. Science weighs heavily on the side of homosexuals being just that from birth, meaning that it is a natural occurrence. And even if it weren't, is the computer you're using natural? No, it isn't. Neither are the clothes you're wearing, and yet you refuse to complain about these unnatural parts of our society, do you? Again, you're just making excuses to outlaw same-sex marriage. It doesn't wash.
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Being gay is technically scientifically possible, but if that was even the case only up to about 4% of cases would be because they were just "born that way". This leaves all the others as just wanting to be gay for some odd reason. I would really like to get some answers from people who are gay that weren't born gay. I bet they would just sit there and say..."I don't actually know why..."[/FONT]
You've either presented your case poorly or you dragged that number up and out of your ass. If you're referring to people that are "in the closet", can you really blame them when they have to deal with people like you everywhere they go? At school, at work, at a restaurant, even at home the torrents of abuse homosexuals receive is appalling. Even over here in the UK where it's considered normal I'm disappointed by the amount of unfair treatment gays get.
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Being gay is a personal choice for the most part. You can argue with me all you want about this, but you know it's true regardless where you stand. Being gay isn't something that comes quickly for most people, even most gay men that I've met say that they were looking at girls in high school.
Again, because they felt like they had to in order to be what others, such as yourself, considered to be "normal". Yet again, you're talking complete bollocks. I doubt you've ever even spoken to a homosexual before.
If you're still not getting it, read that last quote. Replace the words "gay" with "straight" and "girls" with "boys". Now see how stupid and ignorant your opinion is.
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Most people will support gay marriage just because. That's it. They think it's all fine and dandy and no one will get hurt. Once gays start getting married, they will ask for the right to adopt children. Then people will say "What's wrong with that?" I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you were the boy or girl with two dads.
You really are the typically ignorant homophobe, huh? These points have been refuted decades ago, but I'll go again. *sigh*
People support gay marriage because they support full equality for all people. You are in-fact in opposition of it "just because". The only issue a child could have when being brought up by gay parents is if a malicious, unequal society decides to persecute him/her for it. And this is society's problem, not the gay parents'. And no, this said malicious treatment is no reason to outlaw same-sex adoption, either. Otherwise, back when racism was rife we should have outlawed interracial adoption, huh? No, because that would stop the advance for equality, just like you are trying to do with same-sex adoption right now.
Same-sex parents can be infinitely better than heterosexual parents, just as the opposite can also be true. The fact that you'd like to deny all of those same-sex couples their own child is pathetic. The fact that you'd like to deny all of those children from being adopted by said couples is equally pathetic, especially when taking into consideration how many kids desperately need adopting. It's more than you'd think.
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The fact is that most people are hypocrites when it comes to this subject. Most people don't want to have gay children, but when they figure out they are gay, they say "Oh it's alright". Don't act like that's true. They would love for that child to get married to a nice and beautiful woman.
Maybe that's how you feel but not me. I don't give a flying f*ck if a kid I have one day is L, G, B or T. As long as they are honest about their sexuality and they're happy, I'm happy. How you could rate your prejudices higher than your own kids' honesty and happiness is beyond me.
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Please keep in mind that this is simply my opinion.
Yep, and it's a terrible one. If you can't refute my post then be intellectually honest and admit that your own ignorant, ill-informed opinion is helping kids to lose potentially great parents and said parents the right to marry and declare their love for one-another.