Post: God vs Science
02-05-2013, 10:02 PM #1
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Some extremely basic terminology...

Theist: believes in a god(s).
Deist: believes in a god(s) that created the universe but subsequently abandoned it and/or believes that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.

There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?

Edit: Thanks to whichever mod/admin butchered the thread's title and poll. The poll now makes no sense whatsoever.
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02-15-2013, 01:24 AM #74
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
Now you're just being silly. Muslims have found them almost everywhere in the world, more specifically in the west. However, maybe I'm wrong and you're right. Still, I'm not fond of any religion that condones killing for any reason...


But thats every religion.

Every. Single. One.
02-15-2013, 01:51 PM #75
Originally posted by RigorBro View Post
I believe in god, but I do not believe we need to worship god.
People may argue that God is creator of mankind and blah blah.. or that science is the only answer, they are facts, it involves no god blah blah.
I believe that god didn't create humans specifically so we could be great and rule the world. God in my opinion made science, almost like how people program today, you write a script, it could be small but do millions of things.. like you can program a controller to make something move right, it's probably gonna be a short ass code but you can move right for a million miles with that short code. I don't get why people say that it's either God, no science, or Science and no god. It makes more sense to be both.


Sure, if by 'sense' you mean logically fallacious. It answers no questions and there's no evidence for this hypothesis whatsoever.

Originally posted by another user
I believe in science as much as a scientist does.. the big bang, we don't know what it is or how it happened but exactly. How did that thing come into existence, how did it blow up, how did it make all these stars, solar systems, galaxy's etc..


Scientists do actually have well-supported theories regarding all of the above, and even if they didn't that's no argument in favour of any sort of deity.

Originally posted by another user
The only reasonable answer is God, the elements in our universe, did they just pop up out of absolute dead space, where nothing mixed.. no, there had to have been something helping.


Unreasonable. Ignoring your scientific ignorance and the above, all this does is leave us with a new question; "where did God come from?" And yes, he/she/it would have required a creator. To suggest otherwise would be special pleading.

Originally posted by another user
My last paragraph :P. God more than likely doesn't watch over us or guide us through life, we.. factually evolved from the monkey or some other monkey type of creature (excuse my ignorance). And they probably evolved from some 4 leg creature, and the 4 leg creature from a land-sea animal, them from fish, fish from water, water from space, space from the big bang, the big bang from........ Only logical answer must be God or a God-like character.


You're assuming there's a 'before' to the big bang. There is not. Please do some scientific research.
02-15-2013, 02:59 PM #76
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
But thats every religion.

Every. Single. One.


And they're all wrong.
02-15-2013, 04:36 PM #77
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
Originally posted by RigorBro View Post
I believe in god, but I do not believe we need to worship god.
People may argue that God is creator of mankind and blah blah.. or that science is the only answer, they are facts, it involves no god blah blah.
I believe that god didn't create humans specifically so we could be great and rule the world. God in my opinion made science, almost like how people program today, you write a script, it could be small but do millions of things.. like you can program a controller to make something move right, it's probably gonna be a short ass code but you can move right for a million miles with that short code. I don't get why people say that it's either God, no science, or Science and no god. It makes more sense to be both.

I believe in science as much as a scientist does.. the big bang, we don't know what it is or how it happened but exactly. How did that thing come into existence, how did it blow up, how did it make all these stars, solar systems, galaxy's etc.. The only reasonable answer is God, the elements in our universe, did they just pop up out of absolute dead space, where nothing mixed.. no, there had to have been something helping.

My last paragraph :P. God more than likely doesn't watch over us or guide us through life, we.. factually evolved from the monkey or some other monkey type of creature (excuse my ignorance). And they probably evolved from some 4 leg creature, and the 4 leg creature from a land-sea animal, them from fish, fish from water, water from space, space from the big bang, the big bang from........ Only logical answer must be God or a God-like character.

You seem to have Diest beliefs, You should read up on them. You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content.
They generally state that there is a diety, it created the universe, but is not actively involved in it now. It may watch things develop, but has little interest in individual happenings or creatures.
They do not believe in any reglious organizations or writings and do not believe that God ever "handed down his word" .

They just believe, after natural observation, that something started it all, and refuse or can not comphrend that something started from nothing.

Faith in a diety should not be influenced by "if you believe in one non proven fact, you must believe in all of them" So if I choose to be a Diest, it does not require me to sit on Santa's lap every year.

I personally believe that something started it all and It's is not concerned with my personal life.
The current theories on the universe require the application of Physical laws to make sense and explain our understanding of the start of the universe. How could those laws have been in place before the start??

I believe something created the laws before the start to allow it all to happen.

My beliefs do not require me to acknowledge the exisitance of the Loch Ness Monster or Santa Claus to justify them.

And I've gone through this debate many times a couple of years ago. I won't be doing it all again. My beliefs do not compel me to ask for acceptance of them from others.
02-15-2013, 04:38 PM #78
YKM!!
You talkin to me?
Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
Now you're just being silly. Muslims have found them almost everywhere in the world, more specifically in the west. However, maybe I'm wrong and you're right. Still, I'm not fond of any religion that condones killing for any reason...

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02-16-2013, 12:50 AM #79
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Because when your religious, killing people is always a good thing to do.

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02-16-2013, 05:46 AM #80
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Okay, I've been sticking out of this thread for as long as I can can, but something needs to be said. For starts, for crying out loud. This has gotten to the point of bullying. It isn't a debate when you call the other person an idiot, or immoral, every single post. Now debating, arguing, getting heated, sure that's fine. But keep somewhat civil.

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02-16-2013, 12:46 PM #81
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
Well first of all Catholicism is not Christianity!!!

Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
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Stopped reading after that. It's going to take me a few hours to comprehend the amount of stupid in that statement.


Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Okay, I've been sticking out of this thread for as long as I can can, but something needs to be said. For starts, for crying out loud. This has gotten to the point of bullying. It isn't a debate when you call the other person an idiot, or immoral, every single post. Now debating, arguing, getting heated, sure that's fine. But keep somewhat civil.


If somebody is acting stupid they should be called out on it. If they're acting like an idiot in every single post, they should be called out in every single post. If these people are just spouting out Bible verses with no content and no evidence to support them then I'm going to call them an idiot. You can't debate a post with no content so the only way to reply is to point out that they are in fact idiots. When these people can put together a reasonable post i'll treat it with the respect it deserves, until that point I'm going to continue to point out that they're full of shit.

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02-16-2013, 10:34 PM #82
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
If somebody is acting stupid they should be called out on it. If they're acting like an idiot in every single post, they should be called out in every single post. If these people are just spouting out Bible verses with no content and no evidence to support them then I'm going to call them an idiot. You can't debate a post with no content so the only way to reply is to point out that they are in fact idiots. When these people can put together a reasonable post i'll treat it with the respect it deserves, until that point I'm going to continue to point out that they're full of shit.

I understand your point, but it just comes across as being an asshole. I'm not saying to call someone out when they're being an idiot, but simply calling them a moron over and over hasn't solved much.

I guess to collect my thoughts - Calling a statement or idea stupid (sure), Flaming the actual person (just stop)

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