Post: God vs Science
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02-05-2013, 10:02 PM
#1
Some extremely basic terminology...
Theist: believes in a god(s).
Deist: believes in a god(s) that created the universe but subsequently abandoned it and/or believes that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.
There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?
Edit: Thanks to whichever mod/admin butchered the thread's title and poll. The poll now makes no sense whatsoever.
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02-14-2013, 07:31 PM
#65
BongCommander
Bounty hunter
Do you own research if you can pull your head out of your own ass long enough.
Everything you just said was false and again a lie.
No proof he existed at all. and at best your a charlatan like he was.
A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
Everything you just said was false and again a lie.
No proof he existed at all. and at best your a charlatan like he was.
A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
02-14-2013, 07:34 PM
#67
YKM!!
You talkin to me?
Originally posted by dapreacher23
Amazing Facts About Ants that in contradiction to the Qur'an, ants do communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any.
Additionally, to imagine that ants communicate such sophisticated information as the Qur'an claims seems rather to belong into the land of fairy tales than science (e.g. an ant being able to distinguish between Solomon and a soldier).
The Qur'an specifically assigns the stars to a lower or even the lowest heaven, while it states the relationship of the moon to the totality of the seven heavens is that it is "in them" (fehinna). This gives the impression that the moon is at least as far away as the stars if not further.
But everyone knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon. This is not a small difference, it is an issue of several magnitudes. The average distance from the earth to the moon is 384,400 km, while Proxima Centauri, the closest star to us outside of the solar system, is already about 4.3 light years = 40,682,300,000,000 km (40 trillion kilometers) away, or expressed differently, we need to multiply the distance of the moon by more than 100 million to reach even the nearest of all the stars.
Had the Qur'an formulated "and the moon in the middle of them" then this would have been unambiguously wrong. The formulation "in them" is vague enough to still allow the possibility of the moon to be in the lowest heaven as well. The wording of the Qur'an is certainly less than scientific in this instance and suggesting wrong notions even though it is sufficiently vague to not make it a clear error. It does, however, throw substantial doubt on the claim that God made the Qur'an scientifically as a proof of its divine origin.
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---------- Post added at 01:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 PM ----------
Proof of Mohammed not a prophet comes from the prophet test.
Ask yourself these questions
1. Do you believe Mohammed is a prophet?
2. Do you believe Jesus was a prophet?
3. Do you believe Mohammed said Jesus was a prophet?
4. Do you believe a prophet from God can lie?
5. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God?
So who lied?
Additionally, to imagine that ants communicate such sophisticated information as the Qur'an claims seems rather to belong into the land of fairy tales than science (e.g. an ant being able to distinguish between Solomon and a soldier).
The Qur'an specifically assigns the stars to a lower or even the lowest heaven, while it states the relationship of the moon to the totality of the seven heavens is that it is "in them" (fehinna). This gives the impression that the moon is at least as far away as the stars if not further.
But everyone knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon. This is not a small difference, it is an issue of several magnitudes. The average distance from the earth to the moon is 384,400 km, while Proxima Centauri, the closest star to us outside of the solar system, is already about 4.3 light years = 40,682,300,000,000 km (40 trillion kilometers) away, or expressed differently, we need to multiply the distance of the moon by more than 100 million to reach even the nearest of all the stars.
Had the Qur'an formulated "and the moon in the middle of them" then this would have been unambiguously wrong. The formulation "in them" is vague enough to still allow the possibility of the moon to be in the lowest heaven as well. The wording of the Qur'an is certainly less than scientific in this instance and suggesting wrong notions even though it is sufficiently vague to not make it a clear error. It does, however, throw substantial doubt on the claim that God made the Qur'an scientifically as a proof of its divine origin.
enjoy!
---------- Post added at 01:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:30 PM ----------
Proof of Mohammed not a prophet comes from the prophet test.
Ask yourself these questions
1. Do you believe Mohammed is a prophet?
2. Do you believe Jesus was a prophet?
3. Do you believe Mohammed said Jesus was a prophet?
4. Do you believe a prophet from God can lie?
5. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God?
So who lied?
1. Do you believe Mohammed is a prophet? Yes, I do
2. Do you believe Jesus was a prophet? Yes, I do
3. Do you believe Mohammed said Jesus was a prophet? Allah says at the quran that he is prophet
4. Do you believe a prophet from God can lie? no , I don't
5. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God? Jesus not god
Proof that is Jesus not god
If Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God
If he is god why he Crying in a loud voice saying My god ?
02-14-2013, 07:39 PM
#68
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by YKM
There's not only one thing he said are true
there's ton of thing he said are now true
Islam not terrorist Religion
Islam Word mean Peace
We Muslim must give some of our money to poor people
We must at our religion give hand to Orphans and animals
There's a lot thing .
That's why i am Muslim .
there's ton of thing he said are now true
Islam not terrorist Religion
Islam Word mean Peace
We Muslim must give some of our money to poor people
We must at our religion give hand to Orphans and animals
There's a lot thing .
That's why i am Muslim .
Originally posted by YKM
I was doing search of bible i found here
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Ezequiel 9: 6
Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
So that is the bible ?
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You interpreted Sura wrong !
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Ezequiel 9: 6
Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
So that is the bible ?
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You interpreted Sura wrong !
The Bible talks just as much shit as the Koran.
How can you possibly interpret that quote any way other than what I did? It's pretty clear.
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02-14-2013, 08:37 PM
#71
RigorBro
Haxor!
Originally posted by Clutch
The thread that was the shining light of the last two debating sections(ugh, really?) that was God vs Fact has been trashed or something(ugh, again) so this thread is here to take the place of that one.
Some extremely basic terminology...
Theist: believes in a god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.
There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?
Some extremely basic terminology...
Theist: believes in a god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.
There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?
I believe in god, but I do not believe we need to worship god.
People may argue that God is creator of mankind and blah blah.. or that science is the only answer, they are facts, it involves no god blah blah.
I believe that god didn't create humans specifically so we could be great and rule the world. God in my opinion made science, almost like how people program today, you write a script, it could be small but do millions of things.. like you can program a controller to make something move right, it's probably gonna be a short ass code but you can move right for a million miles with that short code. I don't get why people say that it's either God, no science, or Science and no god. It makes more sense to be both.
I believe in science as much as a scientist does.. the big bang, we don't know what it is or how it happened but exactly. How did that thing come into existence, how did it blow up, how did it make all these stars, solar systems, galaxy's etc.. The only reasonable answer is God, the elements in our universe, did they just pop up out of absolute dead space, where nothing mixed.. no, there had to have been something helping.
My last paragraph
. God more than likely doesn't watch over us or guide us through life, we.. factually evolved from the monkey or some other monkey type of creature (excuse my ignorance). And they probably evolved from some 4 leg creature, and the 4 leg creature from a land-sea animal, them from fish, fish from water, water from space, space from the big bang, the big bang from........ Only logical answer must be God or a God-like character.
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02-14-2013, 11:27 PM
#73
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by YKM
You interpret it Wrong !
It didn't say seize them and slay them wherever you find them and and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks
It didn't say seize them and slay them wherever you find them and and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks
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