(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The thread that was the shining light of the last two debating sections(ugh, really?) that was God vs Fact has been trashed or something(ugh, again) so this thread is here to take the place of that one.

Some extremely basic terminology...

Theist: believes in a god(s).
Deist: believes in a god(s) that created the universe but subsequently abandoned it and/or believes that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.

There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?

Edit: Thanks to whichever mod/admin butchered the thread's title and poll. The poll now makes no sense whatsoever.

I was doing search of bible i found here
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Ezequiel 9: 6
Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.

Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
So that is the bible ?
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You interpreted Sura wrong !

Well first of all Catholicism is not Christianity!!! thats why you dont understand. And everything that says comes from the heart is from the Bible which you have studied hundreds of hours apparently so you should know some things. The one thing you have overlooked which im sure of is the Resurrection of Christ because that is where the backbonne of Christianity lies yet you have not disproved that. Now in catholic school they teach you how to do good things, be holy or what is called good works and the last time I checked the Bible it doesnt say salvation comes from good works. So the ball is in your court did Jesus Resurrect or was he like many of these other religions that send you to hell.

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Thanks for taking those verses out of context I appreciate it.

Look at this:

Solomon listening to ants? In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a "conversation of ants".

How is that even possible based on what we know about ants?

The stars and the moon The Qur'an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

Explain that? External contradictions based in your own book

It's one of Solomon miracles that he can hear the animals
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Amazing Facts About Ants that in contradiction to the Qur'an, ants do communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any.

Additionally, to imagine that ants communicate such sophisticated information as the Qur'an claims seems rather to belong into the land of fairy tales than science (e.g. an ant being able to distinguish between Solomon and a soldier).

The Qur'an specifically assigns the stars to a lower or even the lowest heaven, while it states the relationship of the moon to the totality of the seven heavens is that it is "in them" (fehinna). This gives the impression that the moon is at least as far away as the stars if not further.

But everyone knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon. This is not a small difference, it is an issue of several magnitudes. The average distance from the earth to the moon is 384,400 km, while Proxima Centauri, the closest star to us outside of the solar system, is already about 4.3 light years = 40,682,300,000,000 km (40 trillion kilometers) away, or expressed differently, we need to multiply the distance of the moon by more than 100 million to reach even the nearest of all the stars.

Had the Qur'an formulated "and the moon in the middle of them" then this would have been unambiguously wrong. The formulation "in them" is vague enough to still allow the possibility of the moon to be in the lowest heaven as well. The wording of the Qur'an is certainly less than scientific in this instance and suggesting wrong notions even though it is sufficiently vague to not make it a clear error. It does, however, throw substantial doubt on the claim that God made the Qur'an scientifically as a proof of its divine origin.

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Proof of Mohammed not a prophet comes from the prophet test.

Ask yourself these questions

1. Do you believe Mohammed is a prophet?
2. Do you believe Jesus was a prophet?
3. Do you believe Mohammed said Jesus was a prophet?
4. Do you believe a prophet from God can lie?
5. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God?

So who lied?

Really where is your proof to that? that being Jesus is as real as santa claus

Explain how you think jesus is any more real than my 10 foot cock?


Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

He created it now did you? exactly where is your proof?

He did huh ? How you know that?
Read a book edited more times than the wall street journal?
There is no jesus or zeus or any other all power beings and never was.
Jesus is a story stolen and edited from other religions.
And if your choice is to believe in fairy tales more power too you foolish man.
But trying to prove your fairy tale is truth or any more valid than any other fairy tale is beyond pointless.
1000 religions(fairy tales) and counting..but yours is truth... sure and i got a bridge to sell ya.

Nothing worst than preachers or priests or church's of any kind.
All they do is manipulate people into believing a lie well stealing from them and there community's.
Your nothing more than thief's and liar's to lazy to get a real job.

If it was changed according to you then who changed it and why? Where was Jesus stolen from other religions? Jesus has been proven to walk on the earth by people of religion and those of not so you have nothing but spitting nonsense