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So yeah, talk about it here.

If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:

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There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism

Spot on ResistTheSun.

It's the same as smacking a small child but not explaining why. What will they learn from it? Violence.

So many people don't have the necessary tools in the box to be able to deal with the realities of life, for example dysfunctional or absent parents, drugs or alcohol, mental illness etc. There's a lot of indications that the more vulnerable people in society are the ones who have a higher chance of ending up in prison. These are the very people who need to be rehabilitated and taught right from wrong and the rules of living in and surviving society. Until this is addressed, we won't be going any further.

It's all bollocks, there's my input.

Our government talk big about doing things about hate preachers, yet as soon as the words "Human Rights" comes up from the Muslim scum then all of a sudden they have a magical barrier around them making them invincible from action being taken against them, and I'm getting fucking pissed off about it.

You, me and millions of others. We've been stuffed ever since Labour brought in the Human Rights Act. It was completely unnecessary as the law protects people anyway. It's only those who take the piss who need the HRA.

But they are hate preaching and the message has and will continue to spread until these people are removed. We are none of the wiser while we non-muslims(I'm assuming) aren't allowed to enter a mosque as it's considered a place of worship therefore only for muslims. The Government we all know is a soft touch but matters like this and as the EDL have been protesting about for years could eventually lead to a war in this country. I'm not exaggerating but when people are being killed or threatened in the name of religion in their own streets then there will be a breaking point, I thought Lee Rigby might have been it. Your tolerance of this form of extremism is exactly what we are seeing in Government and people are increasingly fed up of it.

You cure the disease (Islamic fundamentalism) and you get rid of the symptom (EDL)


Skip to 7.46 if you want to get straight to the point.
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What I really want to know is why are the left constantly demonising EDL as racists and fascists when infact they are none of these things. I could only go as far to label them as Islamophobics and in some cases thugs. Yet they (the left) say nothing about the fundamentalists (the more dangerous threat to our security). It's time instead of demonising these people to bring them to the table and debate the issues at hand otherwise violence is inevitable while their cries are being ignored.

At this moment in time we should learn from the far right movements rising up all over Europe, Golden Dawn (Greece), Freedom party (Netherlands), Progress party (Norway), Lega Nord - Northern League (italy), Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (National Democratic Party of Germany), National Front (France), Sweden Democrats (Sweden), True Finns (Finland) and these aren't just fringe parties either, they are becoming rapidly more influential and supported. Alot of these parties if not all have an issue with Islam in particular.

Why not Buddhists, why not Sikhs, why not Jews, why not Christians or Catholics? Well it's pretty damn obvious to me.

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Originally posted by Skyline

It's all bollocks, there's my input.

Our government talk big about doing things about hate preachers, yet as soon as the words "Human Rights" comes up from the Muslim scum then all of a sudden they have a magical barrier around them making them invincible from action being taken against them, and I'm getting fucking pissed off about it.

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When you sign up to the EU union you sign up to the ECHR, no two ways about it. However while we are in this union (at least until 2015) then the government should grow a pair and throw them all out and face the rap from the commission later abit like what France and Italy have and will continue to do.

Non-muslims has the right and welcome to enter a mosque, just need to follow some rules before you're allowed. Some non-muslims are required to wear a certain dress code other mosques are less strict when it comes to this. If I remember correct you also need to remove your shoes and you can't go into a mosque at pray time. Place of worship but all faiths are welcome tolerance is a key pillar to islam, it a key pillar of many faiths.
Most faiths share the same core ideas at the heart of them.

Yet to get to the point of war stop exaggerating!
This part of the reason why we have this problem people are exaggerating the causes for their own gain. Part of the reason why EDL is around scaremongering and ignorance needs to be answered. Are other reasons why this has surfaced people are fed up of many things loads are looking outwards for the reasons to many problems.

I'm tolerance but not towards extremism I feel more needs to be done at the root to kill it over a war or kicking somebody out. I want to bring the EDL to the table on this along with providing more support to stop this from happening. Just as the EDL feels disconnected the young muslims who do these acts also feel disconnected. They are the other side of the coin just doing the same thing.
This problem has many layers more needs to be done to remove this disconnect for this generation. Difference is I want to face this problem not with a knee jerk reaction but to fix it. Kicking him out won't solve the disconnect, insure that this sort of rot can't inject into communities by linking communities together helps. Already gave some examples of what could be done, that may not work in certain areas.

If makes you feel better I don't know why the right constantly blames the left for these problems. Saying we should go back to how it was as the left tries to answer it with a new solution.

Far right groups always do well during hard times. Lets see if support keeps up.

“Why not Buddhists, why not Sikhs, why not Jews, why not Christians or Catholics? Well it's pretty damn obvious to me.”
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Pretty damn obvious to me that a couple attacks has been able to damage the image of islam mold it into something evil compared to what it meant to mean.

How wrong you are in saying that people are exaggerating the threat for their "own gain", the EDL don't protest to gain they protest to reserve their identity and culture under an increasing wave of Islamic immigrants that are threatening their way of life by wanting to impose the likes of Sharia Law and beheading those who they don't agree with. If they want to come to our nation then they have to accept our culture and respect our laws, there is no 2 ways about it. Don't try and pass this off as a tiny fraction of muslims as I've seen many encounters of them protesting, inciting and committing violence. Once again I'm astounded you could come out with such an ignorant comment.




You said it yourself, "something needs to be done at the root of it". For a start ending the endless waves of immigration from 3rd countries might have had an effect but the left have been using the guise of multiculturism and cultural enrichment for years and labelling anyone who argues otherwise as a racist or fascist which has ultimately stifled debate but not anymore, although I do fear we have passed the point of no return. All thanks to an incompetent, compulsive liar and downright treacherous prime minister, I'm sure you know who I am talking about not to mention the supporters that have went along with it. The left are ultimately reaping what they have sown over a great length of time so they can only point the finger at themselves.

Muslims before the woolwich murder should have done and should continue to do more to distance themselves from these extremists and shout them down yet they haven't and I have a feeling they won't. Ultimately they are the ones who are going to suffer partly as a result of their lack of commitment to do so.




The left has went against the wishes of the public for a whole decade, I'm sure if Tony blair had said in his campaign that he was going to partake in an illegal war, another war on top of that; borrow and spend uncontrollably to the point where the next government would have to make massive cuts to reduce the deficit affecting us as taxpayers in many ways including reduced services in the public sector; allow mass uncontrolled immigration with no plans for any integration whatsoever especially at a time of high unemployment; an increased threat through Islam to the public safety of ordinary civilians and personnel in the police/military; destroy the private pension system through a rookie mistake; profess to be against the EU union but jumped on the gravy train at the first opportunity (& many more) then I'm pretty sure nobody would have voted for them in to start with.

To pass themselves off as a party for a working class is madness, they've done good to bury the working class at every turn, to be called the Labour party is a massive insult to every labourer out there. The fact people are still willing to vote for this party after what they have done and the fact they have no policy whatsoever just goes to show people must be voting Labour based on tradition in the North and/or they have absolutely no idea in politics and/or they are just looking for nice government handouts.

They haven't been a party for the working class for pretty much the last 4 decades.




Well that is obvious but only the left and the current incompetent prime minister are to blame. What you need to ask yourself is why are we in tough times and why are people feeling threatened in their own country? The support will continue until these problems are resolved and since this has been ignored by the left for such a length of time then it will ultimately be a length of time the far-right organisations will be supported.




Burma? what about every single far-right party I listed in Europe who all have an issue with Islamic immigration and you are going to tell me there's nothing wrong with the religion, please. There has been at least one terrorist attempt each month for the last 2 years in Britain alone from Islamic extremists. Its also patently obvious from the number of dividing Islamic factions in the Middle east who are currently partaking in sectarian wars show that it's an extremely dangerous and unwanted religion especially in Christian dominated countries who by the way are persecuted and very often executed in their Arab & African homelands.

Just recently:

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The EDL aren't shouting about nothing and another thing you portray the them as violent and fascist yet it's their god-given right to peacefully protest yet when the far-left UAF turns up they are the ones who cause the violence and act like fascists themselves. I think it might have been Churchill who said this: "the fascists of the future will call themselves the anti-fascists." Truer words have never been spoken.




"couple of attacks" No my friend you need to step outside your protective bubble and wake up to what is happening, this has been brewing for years now. I quite honestly cannot believe there are people of your calibre who can honestly pass off this increasing threat and be so ignorant about it, it's frightening.

Oh and Enoch Powell was right.

Liam, please stop accusing the "left" of doing things without direct citations. Suddenly I feel like I've wandered in on the U.S. politics thread and that's not a good feeling.

I just woke up so I'll only answer a bit of the first paragraph -- most Muslims don't want to implement Sharia Law here, the ones that do are a minority within the minority. It's the equivalent of someone wanting all white Englishmen kicked out of the country after looking at the absurd ignorance and stupidity of the EDL. They too hold a minority opinion, fortunately.

I don't need citations to prove what Labour has done to this country over 2 terms in office, we are seeing the results. The fact that there are Sharia councils and courts in this country is truly astonishing and I really don't need to explain why we don't want or need this totalitarian ideology but I'm going to: wife-beating, paedophilia, female genital mutilation, jihad, sexual enslavement, legal/social/religious inequality of the sexes and of non-Muslims, etc. The left-leaning media (sometimes the right) has been silent and failed to expose the unpalatable but unavoidable truth about this totalitarian ideology and the need to remove it and all its manifestations.

The fact we have Islamic clerics openly talking about the need for Sharia Law in open universities and mosques is completely unacceptable because Sharia Law and Islam are antithetical to English Law and an existential threat to British people, their rights, values, beliefs and literally everything about their lives.

Avoid the truth if you will but Pro-sharia law campaigners and believers have gained a foothold in this country. If you haven't learnt anything from Muslim culture you will see they stop at nothing until what they want is implemented even if that means they need to kill in order to reach that goal, just take a look at the world.

What about the ****stani (< see Political Correctness gone mad - even on a gaming forum) muslim problem we have when it concerns young and vulnerable girls being raped in their local parks, they basically have a rape empire and it has been allowed to happen right under our noses, makes me sick. When anyone dares speak up against this and the demographics it concerns the left usually group up & point the finger shouting RACIST! FASCIST! without ever really and truly understanding what these words mean, they've been used & saturated so much that they have almost lost their meaning and power.

My gripe with the left-leaning media and a majority of lefties is that they live in a world that is comprised of their idyllic little village in the countryside where nothing goes wrong when in truth they are completely oblivious and haven't had to come against the ordeals that ordinary civilians have had to face in the last decade comprising of mass immigration and a religion that knows no boundaries. People feel like they are 2nd rate citizens in their very own country. The one-tracked mindset of the left has allowed and will continue to allow extremists a foothold in this country and it has done.

You are more fixated about smearing the EDL/SDL at every opportunity rather than listening and understanding, the left generally hold contempt for those with an opposing POV. If you have a problem with Islamic extremism and their ideologies then you really shouldn't have a problem with the EDL's right to protest peacefully, you'd know this if you bothered to watch an interview with their leader or heard what they were about in general (without Bias). My view and no doubt you'll disagree as always but Islamic extremism/Jihad is the problem here, not the EDL, they are just the symptom of the disease.

Being completely honest can you tell me if you are surprised by the far-right rise and the traction it's gaining across the continent?

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These Sharia councils and courts are not above the law -- they must work within our law in order to be legal. They've no legal exemption whatsoever. Example: wife wants a divorce from husband. She can go to Sharia council/court and pursue it there in order to get a divorce in an Islamic manner, or she can just go the regular legal route. If the Sharia council/court attempted to prevent her beyond words of encouragement then that'd be illegal. Fortunately I've yet to hear of them actually breaking the law. Come to think of it I think I recall there being a Jewish equivalent as well.



You're starting to sound like the extreme one. Remove it and all its manifestations? No! Educate people. That's it. There's hardly much chance of actual Sharia law being implemented within the next few decades, now is there?

There are other religions and ideologies that contain passages extremely similar to those in the Quran. How do you propose we deal with those?

It's actually starting to sound a bit sinister. You're wanting to kick people out for:

1) Holding dissenting views.
2) Merely believing something.

Thought police? No? Well they're not actually breaking the law, so what else can it be?

If you want a better target then look at the Daily Mail. It has a massive amount more influence right now than the extreme sect of Islam and the way it operates is utterly despicable. (Pretty good, very concise explanation of how it works here: You must login or register to view this content.



There are bound to be a few British people who adhere to what these clerics supposedly speak of. Now you don't have an entire nationality agreeing with you.

Fortunately enough laws can change. As long as those who dissent aren't breaking the law there's really no issue.

Come to think of it, Christianity and its role in our government/monarchy was at one point an existential threat to all of the above for many people, atheists included. Things change.



The same could be said of Christianity or indeed many other religions/doctrines. Stop singling Islam out.



You are racist if you think the majority of rapists in our country are Muslim. Citation needed. Unless of course you mean that Islam itself promotes rape, in which case I must redirect you to Christianity.

About the "political correctness" thing, yeah, that is stupid, but there are plenty of other words censored. Pretty much any word that ten year olds might use as an insult is censored, so blame them and/or the admin for implementing the censors. It's nothing to do with politics.



In a country where white males still possess an advantage (sadly) you're complaining quite a lot. It sounds rather like you're getting upset that your privilege is getting taken away.



"The left" don't do sh*t. Stop using that damn term.

As for myself, I'd like to compare my own response which is debate to the response of the EDL which is marching against mosques and generally behaving like ignorant children.



Of course I support their right to protest peacefully but that doesn't mean that logically or morally I support their cause. As I said, behaving like ignorant children.



I'd include UKIP under the "far-right", just saying. Referring to UKIP and the equivalent parties in other countries no it doesn't surprise me. History shows that people tend to swing to the right with their voting habits in hard times. I think this recession qualifies under that bracket.



Irony aside, I'd never take anything he says at face value. He's an incredibly dishonest politician and person.




I'll bet my inheritance that this is just a poster and nothing more i.e. it's not official and it doesn't influence actual law at all.