Post: UK Politics Thread
03-13-2013, 09:00 PM #1
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
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So yeah, talk about it here. Smile

If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:

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Labour - Democratic Socialism, Support the working class -You must login or register to view this content.

Liberal Democrat - Social & Green Liberalism, Internationalism, Social Democracy, Left Libertarianism -You must login or register to view this content.

UKIP - Eurosceptism, Libertarianism, Traditional Conservatism - You must login or register to view this content.

There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism
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03-19-2013, 10:13 PM #11
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by RTS View Post
I still think the conservatives and labour along with the lib dems should just say "Look we are keeping the EU, however we want it more liberal and decentralised EU." Problem was nobody talked about it, nobody wants to talk about it have a serious debate it pretty easy to put down. Same deal with a lot of other issues UKIP voters like to hear but are madness.
Nigel Farage is funny but in my eyes not a good leader :p

Ironic that the conservatives want to kill off the EU project but made it.

My biggest problem with labour is just how I get the feeling it a big group of left people put together with policies which don't work with each other.


Indeed, I exactly don't see the UK becoming the next Norway if we leave the EU, but it can't stay as it is at the moment. Many people are saying how the only logical option would be to vote for UKIP, but I don't see it working. They've been the main topic at the moment after them coming second in the Eastleigh by-election, but whether it will turn into them actually gaining seats in the next election is something I can't see.

Maybe you're right about Nigel Farage, he just seems like he knows what he's talking about to me, but if he actually became PM perhaps my opinion on him would change.

I was unaware that the EU was a conservative invention until a few days ago, I was under the impression that the UK didn't join until a few years after it's creation. Weren't the original countries something like Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, and 1 other? I don't know :p

Quote from Conservative website:

Originally posted by another user
We will always stand up for Britain’s national interest in Europe. We have already stopped the passage of further areas of power to the EU and introduced a ‘referendum lock’ on transferring new powers from Britain.
But with the ongoing Eurozone crisis, the EU is changing – raising questions about its future and Britain’s place within it. We need to be in the single market, not just selling goods to Europe, but with a say in what its rules are.
David Cameron has announced, that if a Conservative Government is elected in 2015, they would negotiate a new settlement for Britain in Europe and then hold an in-out referendum to let the British public decide.


Should be interesting.

I don't think a Labour government would do any good for our economy, I think in around 7 years people will grow tired of them and vote for Lib Dems instead. But that could just be a mindless prediction.

EDIT: @Under Alts Bed: I'm also iffy about Nick Clegg, which is the main reason I just "don't mind" them
03-20-2013, 12:36 AM #12
ResistTheSun
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Originally posted by .James View Post
Indeed, I exactly don't see the UK becoming the next Norway if we leave the EU, but it can't stay as it is at the moment. Many people are saying how the only logical option would be to vote for UKIP, but I don't see it working. They've been the main topic at the moment after them coming second in the Eastleigh by-election, but whether it will turn into them actually gaining seats in the next election is something I can't see.

Maybe you're right about Nigel Farage, he just seems like he knows what he's talking about to me, but if he actually became PM perhaps my opinion on him would change.

I was unaware that the EU was a conservative invention until a few days ago, I was under the impression that the UK didn't join until a few years after it's creation. Weren't the original countries something like Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, and 1 other? I don't know :p

Quote from Conservative website:



Should be interesting.

I don't think a Labour government would do any good for our economy, I think in around 7 years people will grow tired of them and vote for Lib Dems instead. But that could just be a mindless prediction.

EDIT: @Under Alts Bed: I'm also iffy about Nick Clegg, which is the main reason I just "don't mind" them


Winston Churchill's did a speech in 1946 calling for a "United States of Europe", he also talked about something like it 1943.
Need to find the name of the guy who helped shape the structure, think he was a British Conservative also. Britain supported the idea to keep Germany in check. A lot of changes done to Europe over the years has been British ideas.
UK did not join for a number of years but helped to create it along with it structure.
I forget the name of the person who did create the structure.

Becoming like norway would be a bad move. They need to in force 75% of the laws the EU makes and have no seat on the table. If I had my way I would invite a couple of nations to change that adding them to the table.
Nigel Farage would be a bully PM, bad man for the choice imo.

Sad thing is if the other parties voted for Proportional representation UKIP would not be a problem. It would also change the debate get a much better feel for what the public thinks. Yea I know that it was not Proportional representation but alternative voting that was put forward.
Think overall it would change poltics from being a rich mans club to a more open club.

I like Nick Clegg but feel he should push harder. The whole lib dems should be attacking and pointing out what they would do in power. Hands are tied what they can do now.
Labour government would have saved us from this pointless recession and helped us lower are debts. All the Conservatives have done is caused a recession show off they wanted to cut gov no matter what. They made the same mistake as labour cutting capital spending first.
03-20-2013, 12:00 PM #13
Originally posted by .James View Post
I didn't necessarily say that he was trustworthy, but certainly more so than Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg.


This is a big problem with modern politics, people are afraid to vote for anyone other than the top two or three from the previous election.

If all three of them are untrustworthy, just vote for someone else.
03-20-2013, 04:07 PM #14
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by Clutch
This is a big problem with modern politics, people are afraid to vote for anyone other than the top two or three from the previous election.

If all three of them are untrustworthy, just vote for someone else.


No other option for me, I don't want UKIP or the Plaid Cymru in charge here :p
03-20-2013, 05:08 PM #15
Originally posted by .James View Post
No other option for me, I don't want UKIP or the Plaid Cymru in charge here :p


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03-22-2013, 10:38 PM #16
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
UKIP doing well in polls, what could this mean for the next general election? Will they over-take the Liberal Democrats in seats?
03-22-2013, 10:45 PM #17
ResistTheSun
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Originally posted by .James View Post
UKIP doing well in polls, what could this mean for the next general election? Will they over-take the Liberal Democrats in seats?


Not enough votes in areas to win seats just a lot of votes. Same problem the lib dems had. I doubt UKIP is going to win any seats.
PR would make UKIP shot at seats even smaller. Greens have more chance of getting more seats over UKIP.
03-22-2013, 10:52 PM #18
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by RTS View Post
Not enough votes in areas to win seats just a lot of votes. Same problem the lib dems had. I doubt UKIP is going to win any seats.
PR would make UKIP shot at seats even smaller. Greens have more chance of getting more seats over UKIP.


I think you may be right about UKIP, their results in the Eastleigh by-election has caused a lot of speculation on whether they will do well in the next General Election or not.

I'm not too fond on UKIP or the Green party really, I dislike the Green Party as I like having a monarchy :p
03-23-2013, 09:58 PM #19
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
I don't really follow politics much. My opinion is they all lie. They all say they will do this and that and not one of those things is done when they get into power. The government we have now is a joke. There are certain things you should cut, and things you shouldn't. Cutting the police, military, NHS, fire service is too much of a joke. We need ALL of those things day in day out. They give the rich more money, while taking money from the hard up people who struggle to keep warm and buy food. Labour didn't do much last time, but it's the party I 'support' (I say support because I like their ethics of supporting the working people. I didn't vote the last time because like I say, they all lie, and not knowing much about politics to even care, but with this government fucking our country up even more, I'll be voting next time to get them out.

They're clever fuckers though. They put up beer prices by something like 5p, then this latest budget they bring them down 1p, so then it looks like they're doing some good but everyone forgot the previous increase. Same shit with petrol.

All politicians lie and change they strategy when they get power. That's how I see it.

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