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03-13-2013, 09:00 PM
#1
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
So yeah, talk about it here.
If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:
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UKIP - Eurosceptism, Libertarianism, Traditional Conservatism - You must login or register to view this content.
There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism
06-06-2013, 01:48 PM
#101
06-08-2013, 10:30 AM
#102
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
I found this quite good.
Originally posted by Liam
He's Christian but there was nothing written in the bible that influenced him to commit those atrocities. He wanted to preserve European culture which in itself is linked to Christianity so it does have that aspect.
I don't need to learn about Christianity being forced on this nation because we would be going back a more or less a millenia and in no way effects me directly. So because Christianity was forced on us by a minority that makes the actions of Muslims who are forcing their religious beliefs upon me somehow acceptable? The only thing that has been done without my consent regarding the Christian religion was a baptism but that's because parents just see it as something that should be done with little connection to religion itself.
Really, me islamophobic? I thought that was patently obvious throughout my many replies. You say that as if it makes me a worse person for it, myself and many others have a number of reasons to be islamophobic. It's not as if I just woke up one day and thought I'm going to start hating this religion and supporters of it, it was a gradual process. Any religion that regards me as an infideland ultimately an enemy automatically shows the bigotry and extremism from within.
Forget the facts? I could get a number of facts related the negative aspects of Islam and trust me there are many, infact I'd just have to show you the videos. I really cannot remember any "honour killings" in the name of Christianity probably because there are near enough none. The fact they want to overturn British law and replace it with Shari'a just shows that they have absolutely no regard for others especially when in a number of cases they weren't even born here.
"The Qu'ran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic. Qur'an 2:191-193 and Qur'an 3:151 are some of many.
Qur'an 5:51 : Muslims are not to take Jews and the Christians for friends, the allah god describes them as 'unjust people'. Concerning violence Qur'an 8:12 says "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I cannot believe you actually think you have an argument other than the fact that it's a minority. As I've said before if moderate muslims are 100% opposed to the extreme element and the call for Sharia then they should have and should continue to do more to rally up against it. They are the ones that are going to suffer as a result because people are feeling threatened and have been threatened in their own streets. As it stands it's going to get worse before it gets better because the government seems to oblivious and devoid of facts regarding Islam, Nick Clegg is so deluded he thinks it's a very peaceful religion.
As long as they intend to cause terror and keep pushing their wishes for Sharia with absolutely no regard for the population then I will always be an Islamophobe. The fact Shari'a law is still applicable in the modern age is beyond me yet they continue to press for it.
And where equality is concerned how come Muslim women are still allowed to wear the Burkha where I myself get wrong in certain areas for wearing a hood. It's an old argument but it's still applicable.
You seem to be avoiding some of the content I'm linking regarding Muslims such as those who declared the street as a Muslim only area but you're good at avoiding those things. Care to state what rules I'm rewriting?
Cake isn't a lie, religion is.
I don't need to learn about Christianity being forced on this nation because we would be going back a more or less a millenia and in no way effects me directly. So because Christianity was forced on us by a minority that makes the actions of Muslims who are forcing their religious beliefs upon me somehow acceptable? The only thing that has been done without my consent regarding the Christian religion was a baptism but that's because parents just see it as something that should be done with little connection to religion itself.
Really, me islamophobic? I thought that was patently obvious throughout my many replies. You say that as if it makes me a worse person for it, myself and many others have a number of reasons to be islamophobic. It's not as if I just woke up one day and thought I'm going to start hating this religion and supporters of it, it was a gradual process. Any religion that regards me as an infideland ultimately an enemy automatically shows the bigotry and extremism from within.
Forget the facts? I could get a number of facts related the negative aspects of Islam and trust me there are many, infact I'd just have to show you the videos. I really cannot remember any "honour killings" in the name of Christianity probably because there are near enough none. The fact they want to overturn British law and replace it with Shari'a just shows that they have absolutely no regard for others especially when in a number of cases they weren't even born here.
"The Qu'ran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic. Qur'an 2:191-193 and Qur'an 3:151 are some of many.
Qur'an 5:51 : Muslims are not to take Jews and the Christians for friends, the allah god describes them as 'unjust people'. Concerning violence Qur'an 8:12 says "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I cannot believe you actually think you have an argument other than the fact that it's a minority. As I've said before if moderate muslims are 100% opposed to the extreme element and the call for Sharia then they should have and should continue to do more to rally up against it. They are the ones that are going to suffer as a result because people are feeling threatened and have been threatened in their own streets. As it stands it's going to get worse before it gets better because the government seems to oblivious and devoid of facts regarding Islam, Nick Clegg is so deluded he thinks it's a very peaceful religion.
As long as they intend to cause terror and keep pushing their wishes for Sharia with absolutely no regard for the population then I will always be an Islamophobe. The fact Shari'a law is still applicable in the modern age is beyond me yet they continue to press for it.
And where equality is concerned how come Muslim women are still allowed to wear the Burkha where I myself get wrong in certain areas for wearing a hood. It's an old argument but it's still applicable.
You seem to be avoiding some of the content I'm linking regarding Muslims such as those who declared the street as a Muslim only area but you're good at avoiding those things. Care to state what rules I'm rewriting?
Cake isn't a lie, religion is.
Acceptable no never is.
It the same deal as Islam small minority say they are influenced to do these atrocities. Indirectly it does history is important to know because it repeats.
Only a small group of muslims want Sharia Law all are happy with how the UK legal system works right now. Funny thing is how the UK legal system works is very close to the most perfect Sharia Law. Sharia Law is also meant to be a set of guide lines not a legal system. Muslims are working to help remove this problem but shouting at them won't help do it quicker.
We both want a end to this just I would like to help Muslims remove it not just ask them to leave. Lets leave it at that and talk about something else on the news!
06-08-2013, 11:29 PM
#103
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by Satan
That is sick D=
I agree I'm also an Islamophobe because of reasons you may also know.
But anyway the west is basically build from Christianity and is Christian (past and now). And Christianity is a stable religion in the west. (Radical) Islam just wants us to get back in stone age. And it is so annoying that we show so much respect to Muslims argh!. In short words, Islam is and will always be a problem.
Christianity > Islam.
Those Muslims (Some if not most) here in Denmark and probably also in UK hate our western style and so on. They should just be kicked out.
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Yes there are lot of good Muslims. But by accepting it there and here you also accept the risk of killing in the name of Islam.
Islam should be eliminated in the west. For the west's existence/identity.
I agree I'm also an Islamophobe because of reasons you may also know.
But anyway the west is basically build from Christianity and is Christian (past and now). And Christianity is a stable religion in the west. (Radical) Islam just wants us to get back in stone age. And it is so annoying that we show so much respect to Muslims argh!. In short words, Islam is and will always be a problem.
Christianity > Islam.
Those Muslims (Some if not most) here in Denmark and probably also in UK hate our western style and so on. They should just be kicked out.
---------- Post added at 11:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:46 PM ----------
Yes there are lot of good Muslims. But by accepting it there and here you also accept the risk of killing in the name of Islam.
Islam should be eliminated in the west. For the west's existence/identity.
Need to find and post some examples of why this is wrong. May take me some time I'm not up to speed on islam. It misguided to think this :y:
06-09-2013, 10:30 AM
#104
Originally posted by Satan
Yes there are lot of good Muslims. But by accepting it there and here you also accept the risk of killing in the name of Islam.
Islam should be eliminated in the west. For the west's existence/identity.
Islam should be eliminated in the west. For the west's existence/identity.
The same can be said for Christianity. Do you want to wipe that out too?
Perhaps we should trust that our citizens aren't stupid enough to believe in it so strongly as opposed to locking it up like forbidden fruit. By the way, with the way the internet (thankfully) works, attempting to censor something like this will simply not work.
06-09-2013, 12:51 PM
#105
Dexterous
Haxor!
Originally posted by Satan
The west was or is still Christian. They were here first.
Muslims come here to the west because we're rich and we got no wars and so on. ( Funny Muslim countries is full of problems haha )
So they want the culture as they escaped from to come here and start their allah problems here.
Christianity works in the west. And Islam doesn't. Why? Do we really need to research it? Just look.
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I don't say Christianity is good. But it's better than Islam.
- I see no reason to defend them.
Muslims come here to the west because we're rich and we got no wars and so on. ( Funny Muslim countries is full of problems haha )
So they want the culture as they escaped from to come here and start their allah problems here.
Christianity works in the west. And Islam doesn't. Why? Do we really need to research it? Just look.
---------- Post added at 11:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:36 AM ----------
I don't say Christianity is good. But it's better than Islam.
- I see no reason to defend them.
Your opinion clearly reflects your uneducated mind. Evidently, Christianity originated from the east. This clearly shows that you have no clue about what you preach mate.
Moreover, Islam is a religion of peace and it promotes equality, kindness and collective responsibility. What on earth do you mean Christianity is better than Islam? Have you ever actually read a book related to the religion? - Clearly not. You can't simply go around dehumanising people and faiths like that you fool.
I honestly fail to understand how a confused, bewildered forum addict like you communicates with people in the real world. The United Kingdom is well renowned for its equality and diversity, all faiths and people have been welcomed here. Why would you want to damage the interfaith connections that have been created by your own government ??
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06-09-2013, 02:01 PM
#106
Dexterous
Haxor!
Originally posted by Satan
No it's not! Just look a those Radical Muslims who do almost exact what the Koran says, that makes terrorists.
(Facts: Mohammad raped a 9 year old girl. Allah says kills disbelievers. And so more.
72 or whatever Virgins.)
You used the term "Radical". Clearly, you are speaking about a small proportion of a global massive. Every religion has extreme and radical individuals. According to Wikipedia (a website renowned for its accurate information), the KKK are christians. This doubtlessly indicates that even Christianity has a small proportation of radicalised people within its religion. Therefore, your point about "radical muslims" is insufficient because it is incorrect.
Furthermore, according to the Oxford Dictionary a "terrorist" means those who cause mishap and harm to others. This could be either emotional or physical. Therefore, your accusing a large group of people of being terrorists. This will certainly make them feel uncomfortable. In regards to this definition from the Oxford dictionary, then you are infact a "terrorist" because you are making people feel sad and uncomfortable. You need to seriously fix up your ways man.
Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) did not rape a girl you fool. He married a 9 year old girl that matured early, mentally and physically.
What on earth do you mean "Allah says kill disbelievers". This is incorrect and you need to get your facts straight. Killing and murdering is prohibited in Islam, Christianity and even the UK! Therefore, it is immoral and unethical for you to claim that Muslims kill people man.
I kindly suggest that you just relax yourself and wholeheartedly explore the religion before you make derogatory claims as such. You are probably freely expressing your blinded views about these religions because you want to gain social status within this forum. If i were you, I'd go out into the real world and try to make friends because the friends you make here won't go to your graduation party, your wedding, or even your funeral. Do you want your life to revolve around the issues that are being spoken on this forum? I'm just looking out for you mate, go to college or uni and try to get a living.
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06-09-2013, 02:17 PM
#107
Originally posted by Satan
The west was or is still Christian.
No we are not! It differs officially from country to country and beyond that it says nothing about how many of the people actually living there (dis)believe. I live in a country with a head of state tied to the church, and yet I'm an atheist. Go figure.
Originally posted by another user
They were here first.
So what?
Originally posted by another user
Muslims come here to the west because we're rich
Our current monetary predicaments beg to differ.
Originally posted by another user
we got no wars and so on. ( Funny Muslim countries is full of problems haha
That would be true if we weren't needlessly at war with them.
Originally posted by another user
So they want the culture as they escaped from to come here and start their allah problems here.
You're speaking for all Muslims and yet I'm convinced you've never even spoken to one, have you?
Originally posted by another user
Christianity works in the west. And Islam doesn't. Why? Do we really need to research it? Just look.
I must beg to differ. I don't think any religion works in a governing position whatsoever.
Originally posted by another user
I don't say Christianity is good. But it's better than Islam.
And right now people are or some are religious. Maybe one day they aren't.
And there are many Christians in USA, yes. But here in Denmark, mainly the Danish people are Atheists.
But we got churches because Denmark was/is Christian and it is a part of our culture.
And right now people are or some are religious. Maybe one day they aren't.
And there are many Christians in USA, yes. But here in Denmark, mainly the Danish people are Atheists.
But we got churches because Denmark was/is Christian and it is a part of our culture.
Just as Islam is. Get over it.
Originally posted by another user
I see no reason to defend them.
I see no rational reason for you or others to attack them, and that's why I'm defending them.
I'm getting really sick of this crap. Stop targeting Islam and ignoring other religions. It's needless discrimination brought on by a knee-jerk reaction from two (two) idiots decapitating someone. The sort of arguments you're making are identical to the sort of apologetics that the religious pull in the God vs Fact thread and yet you're completely blind to it.
We already have Islam here and we get the occasional violent extremist because of it. We also get the occasional violent extremist because of Christianity. Heck, we get the occasional violent extremist who isn't even motivated by religion at all, and yet you'll ignore all of these people and focus solely on Islam because of your previously closeted irrational fear of Islam i.e. Islamophobia.
It's utterly depressing to me how quickly people can become so irrational because of a single event like this.
06-09-2013, 02:45 PM
#108
Originally posted by Satan
Look at Syria.
I honestly haven't been paying attention to the Syria thing, you'll need to summarize.
Originally posted by another user
I had been friends with many of them... My sister had a boyfriend who was Muslim. Guess what? PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In what way? If you had a predisposed dislike for Islam it wouldn't surprise me that you'd not get along.
Originally posted by another user
They can keep their culture down in stone-age countries.
Yeah, because they're so much worse than Christianity. /s
Originally posted by another user
Well let them dominate us and let us live under their laws. Let them kill us. Yes yes we love terror.
Again the irrational fear. How many Muslims, in terms of percentage, do you think want to do this? Because I'd wager it's under 5% for those living here. And that's a high estimate.
Originally posted by another user
Islam makes Radical Muslims = Terrorists.
'Terrorist' is a buzzword used to invoke fear. A just but violent revolution could be deemed a terroristic act. It really means little to me.
Christianity makes radical Christians. Your point?
Originally posted by another user
Some works better... Muslims countries = Deserts Stone Age... But Saudi Arabia got Dubai... blabla
Christian countries = Look at USA ect... (Mosly Christian/Jewish?)
Christian countries = Look at USA ect... (Mosly Christian/Jewish?)
Despite Christianity's best attempts the U.S. always was and still is a secular nation, not a Christian one. I think however that when you see the governor of Texas, for instance, gathering with his citizens in a football stadium to pray for stuff that you're still to some degree in the stone age.
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