(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Seeing as there's a thread for the US Democrat & Republican parties... I thought it would be a good idea to make a politics related thread for here in the UK. I thought having 1 thread would increase the debates and discussion.

So yeah, talk about it here.

If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:

Conservatives - British Conservatism, British Unionism, Eurosceptism -You must login or register to view this content.

Labour - Democratic Socialism, Support the working class -You must login or register to view this content.

Liberal Democrat - Social & Green Liberalism, Internationalism, Social Democracy, Left Libertarianism -You must login or register to view this content.

UKIP - Eurosceptism, Libertarianism, Traditional Conservatism - You must login or register to view this content.

There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism

UKIP, to me, appear just as disingenuous as Labour and the Conservatives and to a lesser extent the Liberal Democrats. You're either seeing something that I'm not or you're naive enough to fall for Farage's wit and pseudo 'one of the people' presence.

As with any politician it's hard to put any faith into them but there is a stark contrast between our main political leaders who were basically born into politics, they go to eton and get their qualifications, then they join a research department in the party of their choice and by the time they are 27 they have the opportunity to become an MP, career politics at it's finest whereas Farage an ex-conservative voter foresaw what the highly controversial maastricht treaty would result in.

But now marks the beginning of a very different political era where people won't be drawn under the whip of the establishment and this whole political roundabout who so far have been very comfortable in their westminister seats knowing there is no real opposition to their control. All this talk of left & right wing is absolutely nonsensical where British politics is concerned seeing as they vaguely differ on main policy, policy that is high on the agenda of much of the electorate.

People look at Farage and see a strong leader, exactly the sort we need in times like these, a leader who won't U-turn on the policy that UKIP has laid out in their manifesto unlike Cameron of course who get's walked all over because he's weak but probably not as weak as the two Ed's who literally have no substance behind any of their debates, I'm not sure even the lefties are aware of policy put forward by the labour party but are voting them because that's what the generations before them have been doing. UKIP however are offering positive policy solutions and genuine opposition to the mainstream parties and that's precisely why people are flocking in their hundred's of thousands, the membership levels have gained enormous traction with literally hundreds signing up each day.

Nobody should be surprised by the surge in support for Farage because it's the mainstream parties that have brought it on themselves by not listening to legitimate concerns of people in this country, they have seen it reduced to nothing and abused for too long.

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I'm sorry but before making empty judgements I suggest you learn about more about the EU and why voting a Pro-EU union agenda party is the very same as sticking two fingers up to democracy as we know it.

For every positive you can draw on from the elitists in Brussels I can return you at least 10 negatives.

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They are there to relay information back to the British public which our news networks and media corporations fail to report on and that's quite shocking seeing as the EU-union has huge influence and significant impacts on all member states.

Farage not only attended private schooling, but he and his father were both stockbrokers. In 2009 he spent two million pounds in expenses pushing his political agenda. A man of the people, is he? No, he is just as detached from our reality and just as self-serving as the last few prime ministers we've had and the people are being deceived by, as I said, his wit and false appearance as a man of the people.

The ability to change one's mind when new evidence is presented is a positive trait. Stubbornness is not.

The masses tend to flock far right in hard times. This also being the case now doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Honestly, reading these pro-UKIP posts makes me sad. You're being played. I'd wager at least half of you aren't even aware of UKIP's proposed policies. While we're on that subject, one of them is to allow smoking in pubs again. Oh, and a 40% rise in 'defence' spending. Sigh.

Private schooling isn't quite the same as the birthpool of politicians though is it? knowing fine well that as soon as you've qualified you'll have the opportunity to go straight into a research department for a political party inevitably gaining power and a handsome wage to line those silver pockets.

Of course given the opportunity, which one of us wouldn't walk in the footsteps of a parent if that meant securing a sound career with considerable wealth but the difference is Nigel wasn't in it for the power instead he no longer pursued a job as a stockbroker but fought for what he though was right after the Maastricht treaty was signed, risky?

From that alone it tells me, there is a strong leader who fights for the national interests and that very message is resonating with increasing numbers including people in Europe. Not in Farage's wildest dreams could he have imagined of gaining this much popularity despite the fact he has been relaying information to the British people since being elected as an MEP in 1999.

Surely it would have been easier for him to just attend eton and making his political breakthrough that way?

But in reality what previously working-class politician do you know of was able to project his voice and political ideology? In order to be heard you have to invest and take risks. £2million in expenses is chump change compared to what we have to invest unwillingly into a dictatorship union that economically bullies member states into submission, even if it means being anti-democratic, even if it means millions of youngsters are un-employed, even if it means families can no longer feed their families. What this union was supposed to stop from the outset has effectively done the opposite by breeding the very recipe for nationalism as we are witnessing in Greece & co. If I had 2 million I'd willingly invest in Nigel's political ideology of taking back sovereign control of our own nation and future, not being subjugated to the faceless entities in brussels who cannot be held accountable or responsible to the mess they are creating.

Of course a newish party as UKIP, will always bring about skepticism because change isn't an easy thing to accept especially where politics is concerned but people have seen the demise of this country, people have been subjected to a ruthless and incoherent Labour party that for over a decade has dug such a deep and irreversible hole that it's going to be difficult for any future elected parties to retain sustained votes and ultimately control while trying to fix it. We've been played for a fool for the last 40 years and as Labour was supposed to be a party for the working-class then can they explain why their uncontrolled and unwanted immigration plan at a time of large scale unemployment has led to a strain on most infrastructure, services and job availability? OH that's right they wanted votes & Ed Marxist Miliband isn't fooling anybody.

I'm very aware of UKIP's proposed policies and as part of any national party, all policies won't appeal to everyone, it's an impossibility. Main policies will dictate what happens and effectively UKIP although having no MPs are dictating the political debate in this country so they are already making change. Even as a UKIP supporter I'm skeptical but voting for more of the same isn't going to change a damn thing in this country.

Out of interest do you follow any political party?

Not really, no. The site that gives you a list of manifestos and asks you to pick one at a time without knowing which party proposed it told me that out of five issues I agree with the Green Party on four of them and the Liberal Democrats on one. Problem being, I know nothing of the Green Party and the majority of what I hear is negative, so I really need to do some research. I've also looked at the Pirate Party but there are several key points that aren't nearly well enough detailed. The point is though that I've no interest in maintaining the status quo, that being Labour & Conservative.

Part of the problem for me as a prospective voter is that I lean, on most things, very far 'left', however the parties have been shifting further to the 'right' for a while. I struggle to consider Labour a 'lefty' party anymore and that leaves a bit of an imbalance between the major political parties and the ideologies of the voters. Furthermore I've yet to hear of a party that actually wants the rich to carry the majority of the burden for this deficit; At the end of the day, the rich have easily disposable income and the poor do not, and yet it's the poor who are trampled on constantly. The constant bashing of welfare in media is/was quite obviously politically manufactured and sadly it's working wonders with the voters in this country, and so it continues. The goalposts were shifted and nobody has noticed. Further proof of this is in the welfare thread where I've yet to hear a single solid argument from the swathes of posters who would like to impose some massive restrictions on welfare.

That aside however, as much as I feel UKIP would drag our country back a few decades, and as much as I feel Farage is a disingenuous man, at least you're voting for someone else. You've no idea how sick I am of the "they won't win, it's a wasted vote" fallacy.

If he out for national interests why does he not turn up to vote ? If you want I can link you to how many times he turned up it recorded after all.
I'm skeptical about UKIP because it looks like the same as the main parties minus the fact it lacking policies which think tanks support or any study. A lot of UKIP stuff looks like heart over sense policy.

Most studies I seen show that strain on NHS has been more due to old people vs people coming into areas. Same happens across the board on all services no impact. They also appear to think it a one way street it not. Job availability and wages no impact from immigration. Do I think we should limit immigration no, I don't. Do I think we should look at ways of making immigration less of a issue for people yes.

Leaving the EU over helping to reform it is a great idea when we should be looking to build bridges.

Still disappointed that none of the main parties want real change.
Full transparency on policy making, all studies and people who came up with the idea posted.
Transparency when it comes to minsters, civil service meetings.
Transparency across the board.

Heard it all before: racist, xenophobes, BNP in suits etc etc. Try to get clued up before making ill-judgements. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a sensible controlled immigration plan similar to the likes of australia. We don't need a surplus of unskilled manual workers in this country at a time when over 2 million are unemployed but you probably don't even have a job do you?

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Sure go ahead and post the figures but I've seen him orating enough times in the EU parliament relaying back the important information about the going-ons to know that he means for a change, which is now taking place. Because of the information being relayed we are now able to see plans the commission has planned for the future of Europe, whether it's pushing for treaties to create the Euro-suprastate, centralise yet even more power or thieve from peoples banks in Cyprus.



I'd love for you to post some statisitics on these supposed studies & you obviously don't understand the impacts of immigration do you? since the reign of labour we have seen 4m+ legals and 1m+ illegals emigrate here in just over a decade and you are really going to tell me that has no effect on anything here.

Whereas in truth they have an effect on the social security system which generations before us have paid into; the fact the NHS will have to be privatized once the government can no longer afford to fund it(NHS reached full capacity twice in 2012); average waiting times have went up dramatically; it's much harder for parents to find their children places at schools; Prisons are full to the rafters; infrastructure cannot keep up with the explosion in our population; There isn't enough housing development to keep up with the numbers; Immigrants, particularly Eastern Europeans are undercutting our wages by working below the national minimum wage which is a haven for company owners; there are something like 23 applicants on average for every job available in this country. I could go on and on but you are starting to see the picture.

Another interesting story I picked up on was where a quarter of Peterborough was basically a Polish settlement where the language of communication is Polish and where one English girl in particular was discriminated against purely based on her nationality, in her own country, disgraceful. Labour had no plan for integration for immigrants within British society and now we are starting to see the effects with communities becoming divided because they aren't accepting our way of life, culture, language.

Here is a shocking statistic for you, in the Metropolitan police area alone, out of 59,000 Romanians that have settled there a shocking 28,000 have been arrested for serious crime. Precisely why all member states don't want Bulgaria and Romania to join the Eurozone because these countries are ridden with crime & poverty and it's not our duty to make a better life for everyone around the world when we ourselves are starting to struggle with everyday living. It's time the people of this Island were put first don't you think?



Reform, what on earth is reform going to do when the unelected commissioners of this rich mans club have a mindset that is purely a one way system, they're going through very destructive measures in order to see their wishes planned out in front of them. They've went against free and fair referendums particularly the Irish, Dutch & French referendums, they've basically stole from peoples banks in Cyprus in order to keep their Euro dream affloat while the public yet again suffer. The idea of joining this Euro for Britain was to gain influence and have a top seat at the council yet in reality we have little real say since we never joined the same monetary system and thank God we didn't otherwise we'd really be in the shit.

They are projecting their will upon all member states whether they agree with it or not, you obviously don't seem to understand the complications this has and is leading to within the European community. We were told that this union was supposed to stop another world war from breaking out by limiting Germany to the same interest rates as the rest yet what we see, once again Germany taking the lead role and a spread of nationalism particularly in Greece where there is nothing a future general election can do for them since they are ran by a troiker of European commission officials who tells them what they can and can't do.



Don't be silly, we're just puppets to their governance. If they can retain power without giving full transparency then they will. Whether you support UKIP or not people are seeing a welcome change, the people are being heard and this spells danger for the establishment because they know they have to act in order to be an electable force. The difference between UKIP and the establishment is they were built from the bottom up whereas the rest were built from the top down.

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Precisely, UKIP offers a flat rate tax which would do away with NI contributions, PAYE tax etc. It means more in the pockets of the working-class which then can be pumped back into the economy which will then increase consumer & business confidence. The rich of course will be taxed in a higher band rate.

Adding abit of fuel to the debate, Farage's recent interview on the Andrew Marr show.