Post: Does the government have the right to say what you can/cannot put into your body?
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04-04-2013, 03:15 AM
#1
Jakes625
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Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?
Voice your opinion.
Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.
Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here
04-04-2013, 05:02 AM
#5
riggstq
[move]Haters Gonna Hate[/move]
Originally posted by Jake625
Now before I start I would like to say this isn't a "legalize weed" thread or "alcohol is horrible". This includes all chemicals, whether it be legal, illegal, synthetic, organic, natural, etc.
Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?
Voice your opinion.
Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.
Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here
Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?
Voice your opinion.
Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.
Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here
its not a case of restricting what people intake its a case of making money, in the uk they couldnt physically apply tax to any illegal drug due to the circulation all ready flowing it would be hard to step in and make it viable so imo this is the reason they choose to do this and make certain chemicals restricted and other not, look at tobbaco for instance caused god knows how many death but purely because the government can make money on it it is legal same with alcohol caused many a death but because they get there cut they dont care...
04-04-2013, 05:56 AM
#6
Rath
Today Will Be Different
I'll just say this... for the land of the free we sure do have a lot of restrictions. Most decisions are made with safety in mind, and when you slap the word illegal in front of something and start a massive campaign against it you will get followers, propaganda at its finest. I personally don't have an issue with people doing drugs, it's a victim-less crime. Why punish someone who made the decision to do drugs and on top of that, who are they harming? Absolutely no one.
The amount of arrest made over victim-less crimes is ridiculous, from drugs to prostitution and everything in between. The drug prohibition is just a waste of government funding, and look what the alcohol prohibition accomplished. Nothing. I could go on a rant about victim-less crimes, but ultimately if it's your decision to do something to 'yourself' then by God you should be allowed to do it.
I've often toyed with the game and edged by some sketchy situations but people complain about jails and prisons being overcrowded, well no shit. The amount of drug offenders in jail is higher than those who commit serious crimes such as murder or rape which are crimes that include victims. Then you can go on about how prescription drugs do more if not the same amount of damage as illegal drugs. Hell I enjoyed doing Oxycontin and slingin' it but in the end it's only legal because it’s a pharmaceutical drug manufactured in a lab, perfectly legal heroin unless you’re slingin’ it.
And yes people will make the counter point that you can harm people if you’re high. Well until they do, the argument is completely invalid. Of course there have been incidents of vehicular manslaughter because someone was fucked, people get smashed and drive drunk and do the same. But no one has pondered the idea of reenacting the alcohol prohibition. Ultimately this ‘War on Drugs’ has been a waste of government funding, and has been used to go after individuals who have no intent of harming anyone. Hell the government bust their nuts over victim-less crimes more than they do about serious crimes. Sadly states can do all the legalization they want, until the Feds and law makers in Washington decide to believe in states’ rights they’ll be ruining the life of pot smokers and the habitual user. This is my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, and hopefully some of you guys do agree with me but I won’t be surprised if people don’t.
The amount of arrest made over victim-less crimes is ridiculous, from drugs to prostitution and everything in between. The drug prohibition is just a waste of government funding, and look what the alcohol prohibition accomplished. Nothing. I could go on a rant about victim-less crimes, but ultimately if it's your decision to do something to 'yourself' then by God you should be allowed to do it.
I've often toyed with the game and edged by some sketchy situations but people complain about jails and prisons being overcrowded, well no shit. The amount of drug offenders in jail is higher than those who commit serious crimes such as murder or rape which are crimes that include victims. Then you can go on about how prescription drugs do more if not the same amount of damage as illegal drugs. Hell I enjoyed doing Oxycontin and slingin' it but in the end it's only legal because it’s a pharmaceutical drug manufactured in a lab, perfectly legal heroin unless you’re slingin’ it.
And yes people will make the counter point that you can harm people if you’re high. Well until they do, the argument is completely invalid. Of course there have been incidents of vehicular manslaughter because someone was fucked, people get smashed and drive drunk and do the same. But no one has pondered the idea of reenacting the alcohol prohibition. Ultimately this ‘War on Drugs’ has been a waste of government funding, and has been used to go after individuals who have no intent of harming anyone. Hell the government bust their nuts over victim-less crimes more than they do about serious crimes. Sadly states can do all the legalization they want, until the Feds and law makers in Washington decide to believe in states’ rights they’ll be ruining the life of pot smokers and the habitual user. This is my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, and hopefully some of you guys do agree with me but I won’t be surprised if people don’t.
04-04-2013, 04:07 PM
#8
Joey Essex
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it pisses me off the government. Who the fuck are they to tell us anything? Who are they to put us under surveillance 24/7. Who are they to tell us to pay tax. who are they to tell us what we can do to ourselves. who are they to arrest us for spitting, swearing, racism etc.. who are they to control free will.
But where would we be without order and control?
But where would we be without order and control?
04-04-2013, 04:20 PM
#9
Selky
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Originally posted by Jake625
Now before I start I would like to say this isn't a "legalize weed" thread or "alcohol is horrible". This includes all chemicals, whether it be legal, illegal, synthetic, organic, natural, etc.
Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?
Voice your opinion.
Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.
Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here
Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?
Voice your opinion.
Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.
Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here
Will to be honest no because it's your body , your life..the government can't control you because it's your LIFE!! (well I agree with the government if you eat / drink stuff that's illegal
04-04-2013, 04:29 PM
#10
Joey Essex
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