Post: Does the government have the right to say what you can/cannot put into your body?
04-04-2013, 03:15 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Now before I start I would like to say this isn't a "legalize weed" thread or "alcohol is horrible". This includes all chemicals, whether it be legal, illegal, synthetic, organic, natural, etc.

Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?

Voice your opinion.


Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.

Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here Smile
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04-06-2013, 08:44 PM #29
Originally posted by Boosters View Post
It comes down to how harmful the substance is.
For example, large sodas shouldn't be illegal in New York City. That's just stupid. There are a lot more important things to worry about in the US. How about this HUGE debt.


large sodas are very harmful in fact. I think people are too easily persuaded by retards to set these things in motion. Although I do like your comment about debt. We should focus on these things but then again... why do we need power over someone? why does it matter? why can we just do it for the fact of good morals?

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Originally posted by .James View Post
Alcohol is different to be honest, it's seen as "cultural/traditional", unlike injecting heroin.


^ Alcohol is not different. Society is a little fucked up if it's seemed as "safe" just because their culture goes along with it. Grow Some Balls People!

Although humanity itself may have not survived without alcohol. Due to water being very contaminated way back when.
04-06-2013, 09:03 PM #30
I didn't realize how many potheads were on this site... Do you really want a bunch of high people driving? That's far worse then drunk drivers. If it violates the safety of others, then yes, it is going to be illegal. Tobacco doesn't impair driving skills. And if you want to ruin your life because of drugs, go ahead. (I agree weed isn't that bad, but has been proven it leads to other drugs when the high isn't enough. So ruin your own lives. Not others who are driving. Also, it appears that weed makes people anarchists. Interesting.)
04-06-2013, 09:09 PM #31
Hells
I'm Back...
Originally posted by Joey
Probably cause you're a dirty benefit scrounger too.. get a job you scrounger. Everyone on benefits need a reality check the fat lazy fuckers costing us millions


Ahh so because my head isn't so far up my arse and I actually don't mind paying taxes to help those less fortunate that means I'm a "benefit scrounger" ?

How about you stop sponging off mommy and daddy, the only benefits I get is child benefit which up until this year everyone including David Beckham could get, I probably unlike you actually work for my money, I've been working since the age of 15.

Again you still know shit or is your daddy one of this bumder politicians or wanking bankers?
04-06-2013, 10:07 PM #32
CLM
[b]They say sorry Mr. West is..[/b]
Originally posted by buzzfan View Post
I didn't realize how many potheads were on this site... Do you really want a bunch of high people driving? That's far worse then drunk drivers. If it violates the safety of others, then yes, it is going to be illegal. Tobacco doesn't impair driving skills. And if you want to ruin your life because of drugs, go ahead. (I agree weed isn't that bad, but has been proven it leads to other drugs when the high isn't enough. So ruin your own lives. Not others who are driving. Also, it appears that weed makes people anarchists. Interesting.)


Weed is nowhere near as worse as alcohol when it comes to driving (or anything really). Here's a snippet of an article I once read:

Yale psychiatrist Richard Sewell reviewed the academic literature on driving while intoxicated in a 2009 article, and found that alcohol is significantly more dangerous. Real-world data from auto accidents indicate that a drunk driver is approximately 10 times more likely to cause a fatal accident than a stoned driver. In most studies, smoking one-third of a joint or less has virtually no impact on a driver’s performance. A couple of studies even suggest that pot smokers are less likely to cause an accident than sober drivers.

As for the whole gateway thing, it's a bunch of bologna. People with addictive personalities will find addictive habits. If you have an addictive personality, you shouldn't smoke at all. There are plenty of people who have (only) smoked weed for years and are still efficient and successful. Don't believe every stereotype you hear.

"Also, it appears that weed makes people anarchists."

I don't even know where you got that from. People wanting marijuana legal =/ anarchists
04-06-2013, 10:17 PM #33
Originally posted by CLM View Post
Weed is nowhere near as worse as alcohol when it comes to driving (or anything really). Here's a snippet of an article I once read:

Yale psychiatrist Richard Sewell reviewed the academic literature on driving while intoxicated in a 2009 article, and found that alcohol is significantly more dangerous. Real-world data from auto accidents indicate that a drunk driver is approximately 10 times more likely to cause a fatal accident than a stoned driver. In most studies, smoking one-third of a joint or less has virtually no impact on a driver’s performance. A couple of studies even suggest that pot smokers are less likely to cause an accident than sober drivers.

As for the whole gateway thing, it's a bunch of bologna. People with addictive personalities will find addictive habits. If you have an addictive personality, you shouldn't smoke at all. There are plenty of people who have (only) smoked weed for years and are still efficient and successful. Don't believe every stereotype you hear.

"Also, it appears that weed makes people anarchists."

I don't even know where you got that from. People wanting marijuana legal =/ anarchists

Thanks for feedback, Its just my opinion. And about the anarchist thing. Just read all the replies. People are saying that they hate government and it basically needs to go away. And on the high drivers, ok not weed, what about every other drug? I didnt mean just weed.
04-06-2013, 10:20 PM #34
CLM
[b]They say sorry Mr. West is..[/b]
Originally posted by buzzfan View Post
Thanks for feedback, Its just my opinion. And about the anarchist thing. Just read all the replies. People are saying that they hate government and it basically needs to go away. And on the high drivers, ok not weed, what about every other drug? I didnt mean just weed.


Driving while under the influence of any drug is illegal. Tbh, I don't even know why anyone would get high to go drive. Seems like a waste of a high.
04-06-2013, 10:29 PM #35
They shouldn't until you start to affect other people negatively. At that point, enough is enough.
04-06-2013, 10:40 PM #36
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
You do have people who smoke too much weed.

I mean please, keep these things in moderation, or at least make it legal so money can be made off it, who the hell cares if everyone on the goddamn planet wants to be a weedhead, that isnt our problem, there are more issues out there in the world... like being monitored all the time or having restricted internet access for starters.

The government has a lot of say in what people do, but its up to the people to determine where that line has to be crossed, if everyone is smoking so much weed that they're ok with everything that goes on in the world, then they need to stop smoking and get a job.

Lots of people who are hardcore weedheads who dont do shit but smoke all day, is that why weed should be legal? So you lazy bums can get everyone else on the latest drug or pleasure pill? Thats a pretty damn sad excuse for making something legal, of course harmful things being legal are no surprise either. None of my business really. Just make up a concise argument for why you believe things like that should be legal instead of "Yo dude, hit this shit because its the GREATEST, UNDISPUTEDLY THE GREATEST!, this shit should be legal dawg... like... for reals...".

Its no wonder why the government wants to strip all your rights from you and leave you completely naked and out in the open with no protection whatsoever, you cannot defend your arguments in a way that makes them scared and fearful, in turn you become the fearful while the government becomes even more feared for the decisions that it ends up making, there is rarely any actual say from the common man, which is why pretty soon no one will have a right to say or do anything anymore.
04-06-2013, 10:44 PM #37
Originally posted by .James View Post
Alcohol is different to be honest, it's seen as "cultural/traditional", unlike injecting heroin.


yes because its legal and has been for sometime if heroin was legal in the 40's it would be part of the culture/tradition.

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