Post: Does the government have the right to say what you can/cannot put into your body?
04-04-2013, 03:15 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Now before I start I would like to say this isn't a "legalize weed" thread or "alcohol is horrible". This includes all chemicals, whether it be legal, illegal, synthetic, organic, natural, etc.

Now for the main question.. Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?

Voice your opinion.


Now for my input on this question. Personally I believe the government has no right saying what we can/can't put into our body. I believe it's completely immoral for them to do so. The reason for most of bans, illegalizations are for reports of abuse, public view of the substance, and the profit they can make on this. A lot of things which are legal I also disagree with being legal. Now I'm not saying lets do all the drugs we want, obviously they have potential to ruin lives but that is not always the case, but you can abuse anything, and most of legal chemicals are unjust and immoral. A couple examples of this are everyday things like deodorant, cough syrup, prescribed pills, diet soda, and hell even water. Any chemical can be abused, and it can be harmful. Deodorant can cause heart cancer, cough syrup contains a chemical called dextromythorphan hydrobromide which is a dissossiative similar to ketamine, and PCP. acetaminophen the active ingredient in asprin causes as much damage to your liver as 6 months of alcohol binging. (~ 500mg dosage). Diet Soda's fake sugar can cause cancer and heart failure, and you can overdose from drinking too much water. I mean these are threats we face everyday. In just our everyday products! Prescribed pills such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, adderal, lunesta, ambien, etc. are mostly different forms of amphetamines, opiates, opiods, which are btw (heroin, crack, coke, morphine). These are legal and prescribed to kids! They are very addictive and every year cause more overdoses than heroin, meth, and cocaine combined. This is a serious problem, now I have a problem with people using drugs which are addictive like amphetamines but I do believe they have the right to experiment with their own body. This is especially true when it comes to psychedelics such as hallucinogens. They have very low toxicity levels and cause almost physically no harm to the human body. Most of them actually mimic chemicals already made in the brain and which are used in everyday items such as dreaming, meditation, etc. So what about people who "get high and drive?". Well, yeah.. they should get punishments for their actions, it's not smart to be on the wheel and drink and drive but people should have the right to expand their consciousness and experiment with them. After all, what freedom do we really have if we can't explore our own consciousness? We don't have freedom of our own mind so what freedom do we really have at all? This is my intake on all of this, and I didn't really go into that much depth of my thoughts and I'm not trying to persuade you guys, I'm just saying be optimistic, or at least try too.

Post your opinions please, I'd like a good debate going here Smile
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04-06-2013, 10:49 PM #38
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by Cronicx187 View Post
yes because its legal and has been for sometime if heroin was legal in the 40's it would be part of the culture/tradition.


not too sure about that to be honest, alcohol and heroin are two completely different things

alcohol is often associated with sociality if you know what I mean, you wouldn't exactly sit around with your mates or family injecting yourselves aha

i can't really describe it properly to be honest, but alcohol is different, i don't think it should even be compared to other drugs
04-06-2013, 11:19 PM #39
Originally posted by buzzfan View Post
Thanks for feedback, Its just my opinion. And about the anarchist thing. Just read all the replies. People are saying that they hate government and it basically needs to go away. And on the high drivers, ok not weed, what about every other drug? I didnt mean just weed.


Well, I think you are ignorant to how most drugs effect you. Anything that impairs your sensory motors (majority of the time seeing/hearing) is why people are scared of "being high and driving". For example opiates just make you feel really good, and amphetamines keep you focused and filled with energy. Those don't effect your comprehension of being behind the wheel as some hallucinogens such as alcohol, lsd, peyote, shrooms, pcp, marijuana, ketamine, dmt, triptophan, etc. All alter your conscious but they effect you in different ways. Driving under the influence of alcohol is far more worse than being under of the influence of marijuana because of "seeing waviness" (newer users) and "delayed reaction times" where as to weed you just see things brighter with a relaxing body high. Don't get me wrong I'm sure studies prove marijuana has a delayed reaction time but no where near drunken users behind the wheel. Also this isn't a weed debate, I'm talking about all substances in the world. You could have a heart attack on a caffeine high, so... no driving while drinking coffee? Lots of things effect your ability including your emotions, it's kind of wrong to say this causes this or that causes that when it comes to driving.

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Originally posted by Clutch
They shouldn't until you start to affect other people negatively. At that point, enough is enough.


But do guns kill people? does call of duty cause children to shoot up schools? do role models shape your sexuality? Now don't get me wrong I agree people should be punished for their actions, but should we really be blaming the substances which cause them? People act very differently on each drug. For example alcohol can causes drunken rage, where to some people are mellow and more social. It effects everyone differently so is it wrong to assume such a thing? Just a thought.

---------- Post added at 06:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:15 PM ----------

Originally posted by .James View Post
not too sure about that to be honest, alcohol and heroin are two completely different things

alcohol is often associated with sociality if you know what I mean, you wouldn't exactly sit around with your mates or family injecting yourselves aha

i can't really describe it properly to be honest, but alcohol is different, i don't think it should even be compared to other drugs


Alcohol is a drug, it alters your conscious, destroys lives, kills people, makes you do things you didn't want to do... also heroin was created and manufactured by "Bayer" (company that makes aspirin) as a cure to Morphine addiction and also as a cough sedative. Why was it made illegal? Because it was being abused. It's a very strong opiate and involves heart failure risks. Alcohol causes liver damage, abused by many, and is also addictive. I don't see a difference at all, they were both legal and used for medical purposes from time to time. I think it's just your perception that shapes how you view drugs as good or bad. In which most cases are wrong.
04-06-2013, 11:22 PM #40
Spongebob.
I defeated!
No, I should be able to add mods, and hacks into my body whenever I want.
04-06-2013, 11:28 PM #41
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Spongebob. View Post
No, I should be able to add mods, and hacks into my body whenever I want.


Lol, if anyone is wondering, im the one who answered " I'm unsure, it's still early in society."

It really is too early for us to be deciding whether or not the government can decide how to regulate our lives.

After all, clearly we( the majority) are far too incapable of modding and regulating our own bodies at the moment. :dumb:
04-06-2013, 11:43 PM #42
Cmd-X
It's been awhile.
Originally posted by another user
Does the government have a morally right say in what we can/can't put into our bodies? and is it just?


In my opinion.. Not at all. They have absolutely NO RIGHT to say what we do to our bodies, whether it be self-harm or injecting heroin. Honestly, the way I view it, the government doesn't control anything. Nobody controls anything. Everybody & anybody can do anything they want, of course there comes consequences depending on what you do, but still.. What may be wrong in your eyes may be completely natural/right in mine. Nobody has the power to truly define what's right and what's wrong, that's your moral decision.
04-06-2013, 11:46 PM #43
SnD_Boosters
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
You do have people who smoke too much weed.

I mean please, keep these things in moderation, or at least make it legal so money can be made off it, who the hell cares if everyone on the goddamn planet wants to be a weedhead, that isnt our problem, there are more issues out there in the world... like being monitored all the time or having restricted internet access for starters.

The government has a lot of say in what people do, but its up to the people to determine where that line has to be crossed, if everyone is smoking so much weed that they're ok with everything that goes on in the world, then they need to stop smoking and get a job.

Lots of people who are hardcore weedheads who dont do shit but smoke all day, is that why weed should be legal? So you lazy bums can get everyone else on the latest drug or pleasure pill? Thats a pretty damn sad excuse for making something legal.


What about the people that are always drunk.
04-06-2013, 11:53 PM #44
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Boosters View Post
What about the people that are always drunk.


Same shit/ Its legal LMAO.

I mean there is no argument with alcohol though, shit kills your brain cells STRAIGHT UPP.

Thats obviously not bad enough to not make you drink, drinking socially, drinking in general who the hell cares, know what your ingesting/injecting/smoking/whatever.

Honestly the world is so effed up right now, people will continue to use drugs and other things to avoid the harsh reality of their problems, and the government will continue to control and manipulate how these people use these things to further its agenda.

Look at how terribly true health is maintained, only people who study and research how to take care of themselves even have a chance at maintaining true health, everyone else is just lucky, doctors arent going to truly tell you how to take care of yourself until your life is at risk, even with the internet it still takes some work to keep a healthy lifestyle, but there are so many things that obstruct this in the world that its easy to end up in the hospital due to use of outside substances.
04-06-2013, 11:57 PM #45
Originally posted by .James View Post
not too sure about that to be honest, alcohol and heroin are two completely different things

alcohol is often associated with sociality if you know what I mean, you wouldn't exactly sit around with your mates or family injecting yourselves aha

i can't really describe it properly to be honest, but alcohol is different, i don't think it should even be compared to other drugs


LOL alcohol is a drug and a dangerous one at that.
04-07-2013, 02:18 AM #46
Joey Essex
Maggbot timeout!
Originally posted by Hells View Post
Ahh so because my head isn't so far up my arse and I actually don't mind paying taxes to help those less fortunate that means I'm a "benefit scrounger" ?

How about you stop sponging off mommy and daddy, the only benefits I get is child benefit which up until this year everyone including David Beckham could get, I probably unlike you actually work for my money, I've been working since the age of 15.

Again you still know shit or is your daddy one of this bumder politicians or wanking bankers?


You don't mind helping them cause you're fellow scum. What the hell are you on about? i work and i don't live with my parents you tit...

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