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04-30-2014, 09:03 PM
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SiNiST3R
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05-15-2015, 03:01 PM
#623
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
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To Ode and questions for everyone / FT-86
Good work, car is well balanced. Very neutral, feels good. I like the rear end construction with lsd accel 40. Time 7.54,4.
It was ok to kiss the apex.
1 ) Is there any possibilities to increase exit speed out of the corners?
2 ) What to do if I want to change the front end to more turning ( aggressive)?
Jounijkk
Originally posted by OdeFinn
Hmm.. 8:15.708 with one spin... Maybe it goes under 8 min..
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Every other thing maxed, and some power limiter to stay under 550pp, you should make last few gears longer, it lacks bit on those gears..
don't touch curbs are my last words
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Every other thing maxed, and some power limiter to stay under 550pp, you should make last few gears longer, it lacks bit on those gears..
don't touch curbs are my last words
To Ode and questions for everyone / FT-86
Good work, car is well balanced. Very neutral, feels good. I like the rear end construction with lsd accel 40. Time 7.54,4.
It was ok to kiss the apex.
1 ) Is there any possibilities to increase exit speed out of the corners?
2 ) What to do if I want to change the front end to more turning ( aggressive)?
Jounijkk
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05-15-2015, 05:12 PM
#624
SiNiST3R
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by Jounijkk
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To Ode and questions for everyone / FT-86
Good work, car is well balanced. Very neutral, feels good. I like the rear end construction with lsd accel 40. Time 7.54,4.
It was ok to kiss the apex.
1 ) Is there any possibilities to increase exit speed out of the corners?
2 ) What to do if I want to change the front end to more turning ( aggressive)?
Jounijkk
To Ode and questions for everyone / FT-86
Good work, car is well balanced. Very neutral, feels good. I like the rear end construction with lsd accel 40. Time 7.54,4.
It was ok to kiss the apex.
1 ) Is there any possibilities to increase exit speed out of the corners?
2 ) What to do if I want to change the front end to more turning ( aggressive)?
Jounijkk
1) Yes to do so you can increase the momentum carried through the corner. Hold more speed through the corner and you will have higher exit speeds. Also depending on the car more rear grip with aggressive LSD settings can accelerate harder out of the corner. Usually a matter of SR/ARB/Camber/Toe with a FR car we usually go for a bit less ARB and tune in the camber/toe with the LDS to accelerate hard out of the corner.
2) Yeah, increase grip over the front tires, this can be done softening a setting over the front axle. Example Springs OR Roll Bars with some more camber and toe out. Look over the set up I would usually lower whatever is rather high to add grip, softer set up will like a bit more camber,and more camber will like a lil toe out (from position) toe out on a set up with toe in, can simply mean reducing the amount of toe in,not necessarily going into toe out settings.
Most posted set up's can benefit from a tweak here and there to better suit the individual driver style, IMO what those tweaks are depend on the set up being tweaked. The C7 set up is a interesting thing because there is so much grip in RS tires and it has the tendency to roll on to 2 wheels. stiff ass springs with as soft as possible roll bars could be used to keep the inside wheels as heavy as possible to reduce that tendency, and too much tweaking of the set up can reduce the effectiveness of the roll over reduction tuning.
Im feeling a bit better, hoping to get some GT seat time in over the weekend, but Ive so much going on thats been kinda on hold the last few days with me laying in bed.
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05-15-2015, 06:28 PM
#625
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
Originally posted by SiNiST3R
1) Yes to do so you can increase the momentum carried through the corner. Hold more speed through the corner and you will have higher exit speeds. Also depending on the car more rear grip with aggressive LSD settings can accelerate harder out of the corner. Usually a matter of SR/ARB/Camber/Toe with a FR car we usually go for a bit less ARB and tune in the camber/toe with the LDS to accelerate hard out of the corner.
2) Yeah, increase grip over the front tires, this can be done softening a setting over the front axle. Example Springs OR Roll Bars with some more camber and toe out. Look over the set up I would usually lower whatever is rather high to add grip, softer set up will like a bit more camber,and more camber will like a lil toe out (from position) toe out on a set up with toe in, can simply mean reducing the amount of toe in,not necessarily going into toe out settings.
Most posted set up's can benefit from a tweak here and there to better suit the individual driver style, IMO what those tweaks are depend on the set up being tweaked. The C7 set up is a interesting thing because there is so much grip in RS tires and it has the tendency to roll on to 2 wheels. stiff ass springs with as soft as possible roll bars could be used to keep the inside wheels as heavy as possible to reduce that tendency, and too much tweaking of the set up can reduce the effectiveness of the roll over reduction tuning.
Im feeling a bit better, hoping to get some GT seat time in over the weekend, but Ive so much going on thats been kinda on hold the last few days with me laying in bed.
2) Yeah, increase grip over the front tires, this can be done softening a setting over the front axle. Example Springs OR Roll Bars with some more camber and toe out. Look over the set up I would usually lower whatever is rather high to add grip, softer set up will like a bit more camber,and more camber will like a lil toe out (from position) toe out on a set up with toe in, can simply mean reducing the amount of toe in,not necessarily going into toe out settings.
Most posted set up's can benefit from a tweak here and there to better suit the individual driver style, IMO what those tweaks are depend on the set up being tweaked. The C7 set up is a interesting thing because there is so much grip in RS tires and it has the tendency to roll on to 2 wheels. stiff ass springs with as soft as possible roll bars could be used to keep the inside wheels as heavy as possible to reduce that tendency, and too much tweaking of the set up can reduce the effectiveness of the roll over reduction tuning.
Im feeling a bit better, hoping to get some GT seat time in over the weekend, but Ive so much going on thats been kinda on hold the last few days with me laying in bed.
Thank You for good post. It's good to get this kind of theoretical information, which I can use to understand more the behaviour of the car. Ft-86 seems to be a car I need at the moment for alternative to zzii and I'm already happy for the lap times.
High exit speed is vital for good lap times; fast in and slow out will kill Your lap times ( basic driving rules ). Your Golf is fast because the setup allows you to throttle before apex and allows You to have excellent control of the car during corner all to the exit point. After that the speed in the end of next straight is high. This way I'm looking improvement for 1-3 sec to Ft-86.
Are the dampers just for curbs or is there also a way to affect cornering speed by adjusting damper settings?
Hope You get Yourself well and we all can enjoy about Your posts.
Jounijkk
05-15-2015, 07:16 PM
#626
OdeFinn
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Originally posted by Jounijkk
It was ok to kiss the apex.
1 ) Is there any possibilities to increase exit speed out of the corners?
2 ) What to do if I want to change the front end to more turning ( aggressive)?
Setup wes just quick base tuneup, so there is plenty room for improvements.
1) camber was left untouched, setting proper camber/toe will be quickest tuneup for balancing car better to handle exit throttle. Will check later when time.
2) same camber/toe as firstaid, Maybe LSD and suspension changes too, same goes also to 1st point.
Can you give bit more information where you want it to be more aggressive, going in corner, mid corner, exit?
Sinister answered good base ideology for both, current car is bit twitchy coz it's so powerful and light on weight, even some small changes can make big differences.
PS. could you send me PM with your current setup (based to my suspension etc) and probably link for your lap replay on N24, I could check your driving style and find changes better for you, and if you're Finn as name sound you could do quick explanation in Finnish where and when and how car is not behaving as you want it to behave, and how you want it to go.
05-15-2015, 09:04 PM
#627
Jounijkk
Do a barrel roll!
Originally posted by OdeFinn
Setup wes just quick base tuneup, so there is plenty room for improvements.
1) camber was left untouched, setting proper camber/toe will be quickest tuneup for balancing car better to handle exit throttle. Will check later when time.
2) same camber/toe as firstaid, Maybe LSD and suspension changes too, same goes also to 1st point.
Can you give bit more information where you want it to be more aggressive, going in corner, mid corner, exit?
Sinister answered good base ideology for both, current car is bit twitchy coz it's so powerful and light on weight, even some small changes can make big differences.
PS. could you send me PM with your current setup (based to my suspension etc) and probably link for your lap replay on N24, I could check your driving style and find changes better for you, and if you're Finn as name sound you could do quick explanation in Finnish where and when and how car is not behaving as you want it to behave, and how you want it to go.
1) camber was left untouched, setting proper camber/toe will be quickest tuneup for balancing car better to handle exit throttle. Will check later when time.
2) same camber/toe as firstaid, Maybe LSD and suspension changes too, same goes also to 1st point.
Can you give bit more information where you want it to be more aggressive, going in corner, mid corner, exit?
Sinister answered good base ideology for both, current car is bit twitchy coz it's so powerful and light on weight, even some small changes can make big differences.
PS. could you send me PM with your current setup (based to my suspension etc) and probably link for your lap replay on N24, I could check your driving style and find changes better for you, and if you're Finn as name sound you could do quick explanation in Finnish where and when and how car is not behaving as you want it to behave, and how you want it to go.
I think the problem is how the car wants flow to outside of the corner. Now the car turns in but I must lift throttle. The the car has tendency to sail to the exit point. I can't go to the throttle so early and so powerful how I want, witch is causing slower exit speed than the car can handle. I feel that there is potential to go faster, but I can't use this potential 100%.
I like the car to have tendency to stay inside with steady rear end, so with increasing throtle I can let the car flow and steer it to the exit point.
At this point we are talking small differences. The big picture is ok, lap time is ok and car handles well. But, I'm sure the car can go faster.
I think with small changes we can achieve max 4 sec improved, but it will give also less mistakes. If the car stays better inside of the corner with some changes, I think it might he a good idea to have less lsd accel.
En osaa lähettää pm viestejä tai kierrosta uusinnasta. Käytän täsmälleen Sinun setuppia.
Suurin pulma on se, etten saa pidettyä autoa ajolinjalla ja kiihdyttää sitä tasaisesti haluamallani kaasulla ( vauhdilla ) ulos mutkasta ohjaten sen hallitusti exit pointtiin. Auto menee kyllä exit pointtiin, mutta valuen. Joudun tällöin himmaamaan kaasua ja odottamaan hetkeä, jolloin voin mennä kaasulle. Tuossa menee kierrosaikaa hukkaan, ei paljon per mutka, mutta yhteenlaskettu vaikutus on max 4 sek tasossa.
Jounijkk
05-15-2015, 10:55 PM
#628
OdeFinn
Bounty hunter
@jounijkk, Okey, reducing LSD might help, but then you have to be bit more careful when flooring throttle, I have idea on mind already, maybe Sunday got time to do it.
Toi oli tosissaan pikainen vartin säätö laittaa auto balanssiin, eiköhän sitä nopsasti paranna semmoiseksi että voi lennättää kaarteet vauhdikkaammin läpi.
Jos painaa kirjoittajan nimestä aukeaa sivu josta voi painaa "send private message" niin voi jatkaa Suomeksi siellä.
Toi oli tosissaan pikainen vartin säätö laittaa auto balanssiin, eiköhän sitä nopsasti paranna semmoiseksi että voi lennättää kaarteet vauhdikkaammin läpi.
Jos painaa kirjoittajan nimestä aukeaa sivu josta voi painaa "send private message" niin voi jatkaa Suomeksi siellä.
05-16-2015, 05:59 AM
#629
SiNiST3R
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
So nothing new or original I see. You must be monitoring this thread just waiting for my appearance. I'm flattered. Perhaps I'll return in a few days and share some gems from tuning in Project Cars when I take the Clio Cup Owners Manual and apply real world race tunes to my sim racing car in my racing sim. Oddly enough, every single parameter that's tunable on the real car is tunable in the game. Who'da thunk it eh?
You can thank me later.
You can thank me later.
Nothing new or Original? Are you retarded?!?!?!? Naw we are still hung up an all the bullshit you have flung already we have no interest in any new bullshit you wish to fling...
Its MY thread dumbass I actively watch my threads at NGU, one reason is for when you show up, so I can stomp you... Its kinda fun, your such a punk ass bitch I have no problems ripping you apart every time you come here, like the last time you still want to dodge and duck, but I will re-post this shit every time you post here because its just such a good example of you running like a little bitch when your caught in your bullshit..
Nothing New and Original, ohh You mean I don't have any new bullshit of yours to rip on since the last time you ran off caught in your bullshit? Well no I only use the bullshit you post at NGU to rip you apart and you've not posted anything at NGU so how could I have more? I could go get shit from GTP, but that would require my browsing those boards, and I only watch threads I get pointed at or call my name.. Still waiting on Killerjimbags test, oh wait, he was full of shit lol just like you...
Seriously though asking for more when you have not responded to anything at all is fucking stupid, how about you respond to when you get caught in your bullshit at least one time, you have no defense to anything because everything I say about you is true, and you know it.. Must piss you off lol
Please suck off PCars Dick some more lmfao we all knew you were a Shift type guy LMFAO fucking moron PCars aint SHIT but Shift 3 Racing llolololololol Yeah its on Next Gen and the ONLY things better about it are stuff that GT6 cant do because its running on last gen...
You shouldn't spend so much time on your knees Bitch... You don't see me on PCars forums pointing out all the flaws in PCars do you or see me in those boards selling GT6 propaganda but here you are spreading your bullshit like a kid without a life...
Grow up Son lol yah don't like that do yah, I know because I've said it to you a few times and you have tried to use it back at me lolololol clearly you don't understand... I call you Son because you are a child in need of a role model, when you call me son, all I hear is sun, and I figure it must be because I shine like one...
GTP has stupidity like this when comparing GT6 to PCars
Originally posted by FrzGT
Oh and before you speak, let me remind you that console generations isnt an excuse to the shortcomings. The only aspect that the generation affects is the graphics and the AI count. It has nothing to do with AI itself, car and track roster, physics, sound, game immersion, etc
What stupidity, you dont have to know much about the physics to know the physics are basically complicated math equations with multiple perimeters that occur live as the car drives around the track..... More complex calculations including more parameters and adding more dynamics to those parameters OBVIOUSLY will require MORE processing power. If the processor and RAM are maxed out already with the graphics and physics ANY additional demand on the processor an memory will come at the cost of something ALREADY using those resources......
The Console CERTAINLY DOES AFFECT THE PHYSICS capabilities of the games running on them...... GT6 is pushing the PS3 to the LIMITS we already know this and if anybody needs proof there is plenty around... If PoDi were to have put out GT6 as is exactly on the PS4 vs PS3 and being on the PS4 we only have a PS3 quality game,well then there would be some cause to bitch and moan about GT6 falling short.
GT6 basically saved people from having to spend $260.00 on GT5 DLC and GT6 Content as DLC.
05-16-2015, 06:02 AM
#630
SiNiST3R
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
Looks like you need to edumacate yourself on FWD physics.
WOW Telling people they need to "Edumacate" themselves right before you prove you're totally lost and speaking in a convo you have no business being in.... HILARIOUS if my constant LMFAO and lol didn't already make that clear... YOU are the one in desperate need of an "edumacation".... The Big Men are talking here Son, Shut The Fuck Up and Listen Or I will show you how much of a fool you are speaking out of place... This is a conversation your INCAPABLE of participating in, and I'm getting tired of Babying it down for you...
You're talking shit here as if this is GTP, I have to slam you down Son...
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
That Golf handles nothing like the real world Golf without aids on. It would be oversteer on entry into every corner as most FF's are, the car is way too stable.
See right here you fucked up..... Musta been reading the Old vs New comp thread and they started chatting about sliding FWD cars lol, you got curious because you don't know fuck all first hand you went to the youTube machine to find some videos on the subject you could quote so you would sound smart when talking shit. Seeing the chatter in this thread you must of though it a great time to exercise your new found knowledge in the videos you just misinterpreted and posted the first comment like a true idiot....
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
That Golf handles nothing like the real world Golf without aids on. It would be oversteer on entry into every corner as most FF's are, the car is way too stable.
Oh you don't see it JohnnyPenso?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Why am I not surprised? Well its evident you don't understand the shit you post that you copy off of your Google Search results so why would I expect you to see how you fucked up....
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
It would be oversteer on entry into every corner as most FF's are
NO NO NO NO NO You fucking Turd Oversteering on entry IS NOT LIFT OVERSTEER MID CORNER MORON.. How the fuck do you justify saying my car would of been oversteering on entry to every corner lmfao with videos and quotes talking about lift oversteer at mid corner?!?!?!?! Its Dumb shit like this I catch, Daboomb4 and his constant "Oh yeah thats what I meant" LMFAO, nobody falls for that shit or Killerjimbags Oh yeah I feel the huge difference on NASCARS, Where is that test data you said you would get?!?!?!? LMFAO ohh thought I forgot about that shit lol anyways those test coming from the guy who thinks Caster is not in GT6 and not important unless adjustable LMFAO ummm nobody cares what the idiot thinks.....
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
It would be oversteer on entry into every corner as most FF's are
What the fuck dumb shit are you confused about now, you think because you can induce lift oversteer mid corner there is turn in oversteer with all FWD cars? You Sir are an Idiot CLEARLY You don't know DICK about physics in a game or the real world son.... Yah run your mouth like your an Authority on Physics but your only an Authority on being a fucking Troll, King GTP Troll with your GTP Queen Troll SuperGT LMFAO You must of let him Fuck you in the Ass, as hes so obsessed with fucking everything in the ass LMFAO even my dog..
Did you even watch the videos or read your quotes idiot???? Apparently NOT lmfao or you might of realized they expose you as a Dumbass who doesn't know shit misrepresenting for E-Fame...
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
Originally posted by Johnnypenso
So you have confused the MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING CORNER with the Corner Entry?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?!??!
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
You OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT You blab on like your an Authority on Physics and what game got it right, but your experience is only video game experience, are you fucking kidding me? LMFAO JohnnyPenso should Shut The Fuck Up and spend more time listening to those with some knowledge instead of being a fucking Google searching Fool misinterpreting the things you are incapable of properly understanding, then talking like a fucking idiot trying to justify saying my car would be oversteering on entry with your google results talking about mid corner lift oversteer, this is just one more thing you fucked up on.... Just a pure bullshit artist lmfao........
Ohh personally I think FWD drifting is fucking silly, first thing that comes to mind is Arab "Drifters" lol some of the dumbest shit Ive seen..
AHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAAHA fucking BUSTED again, and again, and again.....
JP is an AC PCars TOOL well he's just a fucking Tool, AC & PCars are just his flavors of the month.
Run off little Bitch then come back after you think everybody forgot you're just a mouthy Tool that's full of shit... Ill just remind everybody, and you will probably even give me more shit to expose you on as you did this time lmfao..... Way-to-Go Champ...
lmfao lets see how long the little Bitch takes to try and twist some other shit into, oh thats what I meant LMFAO Jokes
Wow you forget real easy but we remember JP the mouthy fool who runs off when hes caught in his bullshit....................
I'm surprised you've not had enough, every time you post here both members of NGU and GTP see you as a fool..
You don't drive real fast cars, you only drive virtual cars and have no real world experience to speak of, so nobody cares about your opinion
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