Post: Is Xbox holding the PS3 back?
03-24-2011, 11:04 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So, as some of you may know, the Battlefield 3 trailers have been showing off some amazing graphics and gameplay, but that is only for the PC version, and then it will be dumbed down for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Well, what I wonder is that would the Ps3 be able to handle graphics and gameplay like what Battlefield 3 is showing off? Is the Xbox, which is leading in sales, and what is thought of when most people think of consoles, holding the PS3 back.

If the Xbox weren't here, do you think that Dice may have tried to make the PS3 version look as good as the PC version. I think that the PS3 version could definitely look better than the Xbox version, no doubt about that, but as far as whether or not it would hold all that data that the PC versino will, I don't know. Killzone 3 is the first game that has used all the PS3 processing power, and that game doesn't seem like it is as advanced as the PC version of BF3.

But, is Killzone 3 using the processing power in different ways than BF3? Could we be getting some really great games taken away from us because of, for lack of a better word, Xbox's inferiority?

Now, I am not trying to start a console flame war, just stating my thoughts and thinking out loud here. What do you guys think about this issue? Are we going to be robbed of a better looking BF3 because of the inadequacies of the Xbox?
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03-27-2011, 03:00 PM #29
ZoneHD
Shiver do you lift?
Originally posted by BlackHayze View Post
So, as some of you may know, the Battlefield 3 trailers have been showing off some amazing graphics and gameplay, but that is only for the PC version, and then it will be dumbed down for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Well, what I wonder is that would the Ps3 be able to handle graphics and gameplay like what Battlefield 3 is showing off? Is the Xbox, which is leading in sales, and what is thought of when most people think of consoles, holding the PS3 back.

If the Xbox weren't here, do you think that Dice may have tried to make the PS3 version look as good as the PC version. I think that the PS3 version could definitely look better than the Xbox version, no doubt about that, but as far as whether or not it would hold all that data that the PC versino will, I don't know. Killzone 3 is the first game that has used all the PS3 processing power, and that game doesn't seem like it is as advanced as the PC version of BF3.

But, is Killzone 3 using the processing power in different ways than BF3? Could we be getting some really great games taken away from us because of, for lack of a better word, Xbox's inferiority?

Now, I am not trying to start a console flame war, just stating my thoughts and thinking out loud here. What do you guys think about this issue? Are we going to be robbed of a better looking BF3 because of the inadequacies of the Xbox?


Everything is codded on the xbox and pc, then ported to the ps3.

No matter what, it would be the pc keeping the ps3 back if xbox wasnt here.
03-27-2011, 03:11 PM #30
Cyber Altair
League Champion
Sony is holding the PS3 down. That and the fact that the hardware is like what, 6 years old?
03-27-2011, 03:25 PM #31
-Skyline
Anonymous
Originally posted by Cyber
That and the fact that the hardware is like what, 6 years old?

It's not a PC, they can't just add-in new hardware otherwise that'll cause older PS3 users to suffer.

Besides it came out 2006 so yea that's not far off 6 year old hardware anyway.
03-27-2011, 03:28 PM #32
djshauny1
Do a barrel roll!
Originally posted by 96 View Post
PS3 is definately getting held back by the 360. Look at dead space on 360 they needed 2 discs while ps3 didnt. You cant fit awesome graphics on a standard dvd without making the game have to be like 7 discs.


ive heard it all now
03-27-2011, 03:28 PM #33
realskillz
Bounty hunter
cyber said it best..... the Xbox is not holding the PS3 Down....MW2 Looked better on ps3 then on xbox... Black ops is better on xbox then on ps3... because 3arc just ported it from xbox..... The Game only looks as good as the people who make it want it too.... now about BF3 i hate to tell you this but... it will look close to the same as you see there that is the frostbite 2 Tech.... Nothing But Sony is holding the PS3 Down....i had a ps3 and i switched to Xbox.. and the Network is so much better.. on every game i play... the PSN now to me simple Sucks.... and sony think since xbox has xbox live and you have to pay for better service then the ps3 offers... then they should offer playstation plus... which in my mind is a waste of money because it doesnt help the network at all.... ok this was back in 07... from a Dev

Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Short answer: XBOX 360.

Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it's quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU's the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU's on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU's and do things the XBOX 360 can't
(side note: as we know the ps3 did get exclusive titles)

Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360.

so back in 07 that was a Dev's Stand point on both
now the ps3 has this..
PS3

CPU
Cell Broadband Engine™

GPU
RSX

Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM 256MB GDDR3 VRAM

compared to xbox 360
XBOX360
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
One VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache


CPU Game Math Performance

9 billion dot product operations per second


Custom ATI Graphics Processor

10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture

so in truth if it wasnt for the blu ray player in the ps3 it would suck... with the lack of stuff inside of it and the lack of support on the psn....the blu ray is the only thing that saves the ps3 nothing els.... so NO Xbox 360 is not holding back the PS3
SONY is holding back the ps3... if sony would get off their ass and leave people like geo hots alone and work on their damn system.. and work with the dev's like Microsoft does.. then maybe ps3 would have a fighting chance... but they dont...they are more worried about their image instead of what the people want... just like everyone blames 3arc for a crappy game on ps3.. but its great on xbox 360... thats because they get more support from Microsoft then they do sony..

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03-27-2011, 03:33 PM #34
Zexus
Haxor!
just thought i'd add just incase it hasnt been mentioned before,, the PS3 version of BF3 will be using 6 of the PS3's SPU's for lighting & graphics shizzle.. last time i checked the Xbox didnt have anything similar Awesome face
03-27-2011, 03:44 PM #35
realskillz
Bounty hunter
Originally posted by Zexus View Post
just thought i'd add just incase it hasnt been mentioned before,, the PS3 version of BF3 will be using 6 of the PS3's SPU's for lighting & graphics shizzle.. last time i checked the Xbox didnt have anything similar Awesome face


umm if you didnt read what i just posted.. then no BF3 will not being using all 6 because only Sony Exclusives can use all 6 as everything els it will be made for pc and xbox 360 they will port it over to match 5 spus from xbox 360....
03-27-2011, 03:49 PM #36
Originally posted by ZoneHD View Post
Everything is codded on the xbox and pc, then ported to the ps3.

No matter what, it would be the pc keeping the ps3 back if xbox wasnt here.


PC is being held back by both consoles. PCs evolve so quickly, they are going to be more advanced than the consoles are almost always. But, when it comes to the consoles, the Xbox is not as advanced as the PS3, and it is holding the PS3 back because it came out a year earlier, so it became the popular console.
03-27-2011, 09:02 PM #37
Cyber Altair
League Champion
Originally posted by TrueSkyl1n3 View Post
It's not a PC, they can't just add-in new hardware otherwise that'll cause older PS3 users to suffer.

Besides it came out 2006 so yea that's not far off 6 year old hardware anyway.


Exactly, BF3 is designed with current PC's in mind which can easily run at twice the PS3's power therefore only age is holding the PS3 back.

And Sony, worst management in the history of the videogame industry.

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