Post: Third Attack Planned
05-06-2011, 02:19 AM #1
iloveyou2
Little One
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); A group of hackers says it is planning another wave of cyberattacks against Sony in retaliation for its handling of the PlayStation Network breach.


An observer of the Internet Relay Chat channel used by the hackers told CNET today that a third major attack is planned this weekend against Sony's Web site. The people involved plan to publicize all or some of the information they are able to copy from Sony's servers, which could include customer names, credit card numbers, and addresses, according to the source. The hackers claim they currently have access to some of Sony's servers.
Should the planned attack succeed, it would be the latest blow in a series of devastating security breaches of Sony's servers over the past month. The failure of Sony's server security has ignited investigations by the FBI, the Department of Justice, Congress, and the New York State Attorney General, a well as data security and privacy authorities in the U.K., Canada, and Taiwan.


Several weeks ago the hacker group known as Anonymous targeted several Sony Web sites, including Sony.com and SonyStyle.com, with a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack in retaliation for what its members saw as Sony's unfair legal action against hacker George Hotz. Two weeks ago Sony's PlayStation Network, along with its Qriocity service and Sony Online, were the target of an attack that exposed the personal information of more than 100 million Sony customers. Sony was forced to shut down PSN, Qriocity, and Sony Online, and is currently working to bring them back online after rebuilding the security of its servers.


Sony says it doesn't know who orchestrated what it's calling a "highly sophisticated, planned" attack, but it has dropped hints that the group Anonymous is involved. Kazuo Hirai, chairman of Sony Computer Entertainment, told a Congressional subcommittee in a letter yesterday that the intruders on its servers planted a file named "Anonymous" containing the statement "We are Legion," part of the group's tagline.


Anonymous issued a statement yesterday denying it was involved in the PSN breach. "While we are a distributed and decentralized group, our 'leadership' does not condone credit card theft," the statement said.
Now it seems the same group of hackers that was able to infiltrate the PSN servers is planning to hit back against Sony.
Sony did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


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I AM SERIOUSLY TIRED OF THESE ****ING NEWBS. IDC WTF THEY WANT BUT IF IT INVOLVES ME NOT ENJOYING MY PS3'S ONLINE FEATURES THEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MORE THAN JUST SONY. THEY NEED TO ROT IN PRISON WATCHING GAY PORN
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05-07-2011, 05:53 AM #74
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by Clutch
That's fine, however what's not fine is suing users who stay offline and use CFW. That's completely out of order.


True but what "users" have they sued? They sued Geohot for releasing the system's security keys. They didn't sue anyone else that I'm aware of. Especially since if you stay offline how would they catch you.
05-07-2011, 06:00 AM #75
A_Fast_Black_Guy
A.K.A BigDaddyMagnum
Originally posted by Clutch
That's fine, however what's not fine is suing users who stay offline and use CFW. That's completely out of order.


Allowing CFW gives users to modify a company's game without their consent and it gives a disadvantage to other users. Even though Sony would still make money, they would receive far more complaints and lawsuits from innocent users as well as video gaming developers for simply allowing their game to be hacked at will. And CFW opens doors to hackers having more power to manipulate Sony.
05-07-2011, 06:24 AM #76
Originally posted by Justice View Post
True but what "users" have they sued? They sued Geohot for releasing the system's security keys. They didn't sue anyone else that I'm aware of. Especially since if you stay offline how would they catch you.


They sued graf_chokolo, that "team" that demonstrated publicly how poor the system security is(lol) and several others. It's the only reason 3.60 CFW hasn't been released yet.

Also this isn't about being caught it's about having to avoid being caught in the first place. If you play online w/ CFW you should be banned from PSN and if you play offline on CFW you should have no problems at all, you shouldn't be sued for legally modifying something you own.

---------- Post added at 07:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:21 AM ----------

Originally posted by Guy View Post
Allowing CFW gives users to modify a company's game without their consent and it gives a disadvantage to other users. Even though Sony would still make money, they would receive far more complaints and lawsuits from innocent users as well as video gaming developers for simply allowing their game to be hacked at will. And CFW opens doors to hackers having more power to manipulate Sony.


That's like Microsoft saying "Oh well we've received numerous complaints of how people abuse the way in which Windows runs so we're just going to close it off altogether and make it more like Mac OSX... except we're going to sue anyone who tries to run their own programs, install their own OS or heaven-forbid if they go near the registry and start tampering with that"...

See my point?
05-07-2011, 06:43 AM #77
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by Clutch
They sued graf_chokolo, that "team" that demonstrated publicly how poor the system security is(lol) and several others. It's the only reason 3.60 CFW hasn't been released yet.

Also this isn't about being caught it's about having to avoid being caught in the first place. If you play online w/ CFW you should be banned from PSN and if you play offline on CFW you should have no problems at all, you shouldn't be sued for legally modifying something you own.


I'm lost. If you stay offline with CFW then how would you get banned???

At this point I just want PSN back. Like I mentioned in another thread I have a PS3 for gaming and outside of human rights violations I dont look at Sony as "the man". I go to Burger King for burgers not to try and analyse if the CEO makes too much.

"People" haven't been sued, Geohot was. What he released opened the door for piracy and eventually people duplicating PSN IDs. As a 3rd place console Sony HAD to do this. What developer would do business with Sony knowing that people can pirate and/or modify their games? Sony should say "well we believe in consumer rights so potential piracy is worth it". And half the shit why buy has disclaimers basically limiting our rights anyway. Hell having 1 burned copy of a CD is legal but that lead to bootlegging. So all the consumer rights propaganda people spew goes out the window once a lot of people get their hands on it.

You see this as "consumer rights" but I see it for what it really is..."You took our hacker hero to court, and want to stop our CFW and/or piracy"

And again Sony can't prevent you from using CFW offline nor sue you.
05-07-2011, 07:12 AM #78
Originally posted by Justice View Post
I'm lost. If you stay offline with CFW then how would you get banned???


You wouldn't, I think you misread my post Winky Winky

Originally posted by another user
At this point I just want PSN back.


Again... this has nothing to do with CFW, or Anon for that matter. People keep mixing malicious hackers up with homebrew hackers, like myself.

Originally posted by another user
"People" haven't been sued, Geohot was.


Google it, there's at least 3 other parties being sued by Sony as we speak(type).

Originally posted by another user
What he released opened the door for piracy and eventually people duplicating PSN IDs.


Again that's an unfortunate side-effect of opening a system up, but that's not Geohot's fault. He specifically tried not to allow piracy in his CFW the problem was others took over and furthered it to the point that piracy was enabled as simply as installing a backup manager.

Originally posted by another user
As a 3rd place console Sony HAD to do this. What developer would do business with Sony knowing that people can pirate and/or modify their games?


People pirate and modify games on the 360 & PC but I havn't heard a game developer threaten to quit supporting them yet...

Originally posted by another user
Sony should say "well we believe in consumer rights so potential piracy is worth it". And half the shit why buy has disclaimers basically limiting our rights anyway. Hell having 1 burned copy of a CD is legal but that lead to bootlegging. So all the consumer rights propaganda people spew goes out the window once a lot of people get their hands on it.

You see this as "consumer rights" but I see it for what it really is..."You took our hacker hero to court, and want to stop our CFW and/or piracy"


How do you like free speech? Everyday people, protesters, politicians you name it abuse that right every single day but nothing is done about it. Why? Because it's an integral right that we simply must have, if we didn't have it all hell would break loose. And the same goes for consumer's rights, if we didn't have that then companies would be merely renting something to you, to the point they could legally sell you something for $1000 then recall it the next day.

This issue goes much deeper than a little bit of piracy, and Sony simply don't care about that. As long as their profits remain at their best then they don't give a **** about us, the ones lining their pockets.

And on the subject of piracy, I really think game developers and console manufacturers should just shut up and stop harping on about it. Frankly, they should suck it up and accept that they simply cannot stop piracy. Piracy is rife in everything electronic, it's not exclusive to consoles yet nobody has really been damaged by it, primarily due to the fact anything you digitally pirate doesn't cost the publisher's a dime in physical value, so they have in actuality lost nothing.

I would predict roughly 99% of people pirating stuff online have no intention of paying for said stuff, take me as an example. I must have pirated a few thousand songs within the last few years, none of which I would have paid my money for not only because I disagree with the pricing structure but also because I simply couldn't afford them. And you know, anything I consider fairly priced and/or just amazing I pay for. I paid for Minecraft, I paid for the latest Rise Against album and I paid for Premium right here on NGU.

And this is where the argument regarding piracy falls flat on it's head; the publishers and whoever else rarely lose any money at all as most downloads would never have been solid purchases had piracy not been an option.

So please stop moaning about CFW, it's fully within my rights to modify hardware I have legally purchased and provided I keep it offline(I do) I can do whatever I want with it. Oh and that's not just directed at you, that's directed toward Sony too. STFU and get on with it, if you spent as much time and money building proper security for your systems as you have suing people then we probably wouldn't even have CFW right now.

/rant
05-07-2011, 07:54 AM #79
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by Clutch
You wouldn't, I think you misread my post Winky Winky



Again... this has nothing to do with CFW, or Anon for that matter. People keep mixing malicious hackers up with homebrew hackers, like myself.



Google it, there's at least 3 other parties being sued by Sony as we speak(type).



Again that's an unfortunate side-effect of opening a system up, but that's not Geohot's fault. He specifically tried not to allow piracy in his CFW the problem was others took over and furthered it to the point that piracy was enabled as simply as installing a backup manager.



People pirate and modify games on the 360 & PC but I havn't heard a game developer threaten to quit supporting them yet...



How do you like free speech? Everyday people, protesters, politicians you name it abuse that right every single day but nothing is done about it. Why? Because it's an integral right that we simply must have.

This issue goes much deeper than a little bit of piracy, and Sony simply don't care about that. As long as their profits remain at their best then they don't give a **** about us, the ones lining their pockets.

And on the subject of piracy, I really think game developers and console manufacturers should just shut up and stop harping on about it. Frankly, they should suck it up and accept that they simply cannot stop piracy. Piracy is rife in everything electronic, it's not exclusive to consoles yet nobody has really been damaged by it, primarily due to the fact anything you digitally pirate doesn't cost the publisher's a dime in physical value, so they have in actuality lost nothing.


Microsoft has console banned thousands of users for piracy. I am not against piracy, I am against people who try to justify it as somehow right or essentially try to use a "Prostitution is a victim-less crime" defense.

Again you want to ignore the majority of bad people to defend the minority of good. I am not confusing "evil" hackers with "good" hackers but few ****s it up for many.

Confederate flag's overwhelming uses for racism overshadowing the innocent, good uses would be an example.

The percentage of strippers that are whores overshadowing the "good" strippers if you will. Bad hackers will put all hackers in a negative light.

We both agree on offline CFW. However if someone uses CFW to pirate or hack games that will overshadow your idea that you bought it so you own it. You bought the system but Sony owns the firmware.

You seem intelligent so why not acknowledge the real issue. I am sure if piracy wasn't a possibility with CFW then Sony wouldn't care to stop it. And as I said Sony and companies have legal disclaimers that most don't even read. Besides the fact Sony advertises free PSN(FAIL), Blu Ray, HD Gaming, Music, streaming, Internet Browser(shitty), etc. But in no way does it advertise CFW.

If you have CFW offline Sony has really no chance at finding you thus making our convo less relevant. Your right to modify hardware you bought isn't greater than Sony 's right to keep you from compromising their business and/or changing/removing things at their discredtion(something you agree to).

It is also funny that people with illegal music, movies, etc love to throw around the word "lawsuit" or rights. Myself included. I guess its human nature to ignore laws but want specific laws enforced.

Everything you say I would use if Sony, MS or an artist took me to court. But amongst regular folks... Keep it real. I have illegal shit to save money. Most use CFW for emulation or piracy. I am not against piracy but I am also not against companies trying to stop it.

I can't fault a company with employees to pay for being greedy nor can't I fault someone who pirates to save money. I can care less about how much Sony makes nor if Geohot or a hacker goes to jail. I can emulate on my PC.
05-07-2011, 08:53 AM #80
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Microsoft has console banned thousands of users for piracy. I am not against piracy, I am against people who try to justify it as somehow right or essentially try to use a "Prostitution is a victim-less crime" defense.

Again you want to ignore the majority of bad people to defend the minority of good. I am not confusing "evil" hackers with "good" hackers but few ****s it up for many.

Confederate flag's overwhelming uses for racism overshadowing the innocent, good uses would be an example.

The percentage of strippers that are whores overshadowing the "good" strippers if you will. Bad hackers will put all hackers in a negative light.

We both agree on offline CFW. However if someone uses CFW to pirate or hack games that will overshadow your idea that you bought it so you own it. You bought the system but Sony owns the firmware.

You seem intelligent so why not acknowledge the real issue. I am sure if piracy wasn't a possibility with CFW then Sony wouldn't care to stop it. And as I said Sony and companies have legal disclaimers that most don't even read. Besides the fact Sony advertises free PSN(FAIL), Blu Ray, HD Gaming, Music, streaming, Internet Browser(shitty), etc. But in no way does it advertise CFW.

If you have CFW offline Sony has really no chance at finding you thus making our convo less relevant. Your right to modify hardware you bought isn't greater than Sony 's right to keep you from compromising their business and/or changing/removing things at their discredtion(something you agree to).

It is also funny that people with illegal music, movies, etc love to throw around the word "lawsuit" or rights. Myself included. I guess its human nature to ignore laws but want specific laws enforced.

Everything you say I would use if Sony, MS or an artist took me to court. But amongst regular folks... Keep it real. I have illegal shit to save money. Most use CFW for emulation or piracy. I am not against piracy but I am also not against companies trying to stop it.

I can't fault a company with employees to pay for being greedy nor can't I fault someone who pirates to save money. I can care less about how much Sony makes nor if Geohot or a hacker goes to jail. I can emulate on my PC.


That's all well and good, but Sony sued Geohot when he merely made installing your own OS on your own hardware possible again. They should have sued the guys that actually made piracy possible(not Geohot) and those who distributed the Blu-Ray Drive Emulator. That would have been fair, but Sony didn't care so they sued Geohot for doing something completely legal.

Also, if they don't care about consumer's rights(very important, see my last post) then why should we line their pockets with cash? Since they sued George Hotz I've permanently switched over to XBOX 360 whereas before I was considering being half and half, now I buy and play anything I can on the 360 and I pirate PS3-exclusive titles. And the same goes for the next generation of consoles, I know for sure which company's console to avoid. Just watch when x360key is released, Microsoft will patch it with a new firmware + private key and move on. They won't sue anyone because they appreciate the hacking community, not despise it.
05-07-2011, 08:31 PM #81
oX-matto-Xo
#1 Chaos MW3
Originally posted by Clutch

Don't mix up homebrew hackers with malicious hackers.

Example, I use homebrew. But I would never hack into PSN for credit card details. Get it? Good.


No I dont think you get it.
If your a hacker, then your a hacker, Sony dont care what you do with there console, homebrew or non homebrew. Your still leaving an open door for these "malicious hacker" to access private data.

You cannot trust anyone in this world. Get it? yes, Good.
05-08-2011, 02:50 AM #82
Originally posted by Xo View Post
No I dont think you get it.
If your a hacker, then your a hacker, Sony dont care what you do with there console, homebrew or non homebrew. Your still leaving an open door for these "malicious hacker" to access private data.

You cannot trust anyone in this world. Get it? yes, Good.


That's like saying weapons shouldn't be manufactured because criminals will get their hands on them lol, that really isn't a very good argument.

Besides, CFW has f*ck all to do with the intrusion into PSN.

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