(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The thread that was the shining light of the last two debating sections(ugh, really?) that was God vs Fact has been trashed or something(ugh, again) so this thread is here to take the place of that one.

Some extremely basic terminology...

Theist: believes in a god(s).
Deist: believes in a god(s) that created the universe but subsequently abandoned it and/or believes that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of god(s).
Atheist: does not believe in a god(s).
Agnostic: does not claim to know if a god exists or believes that such knowledge cannot be known, depending on the definition. Typically when I personally use this label I'm referring to the former.
Gnostic: claims to know one way or the other if a god exists.

There are some more but that's the basics down. I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you and why?

Edit: Thanks to whichever mod/admin butchered the thread's title and poll. The poll now makes no sense whatsoever.

Ive posted many of sources countless amounts of times, you need to read them in order understand. Lying to a community like science does is intellectually honest... good job :y::y:

Just keep saying that science fails as you look into your monitor at numbers represented by visuals, as you access them from miles and miles away instantly on a machine that holds more computing than what existed in the world 50 years ago.

True it is a method to discover reality, BUT, what is given to the masses is almost never the truth on things. For instance, we have the Genetically Modified issue. Most mainstream outlets will repeat, "genetically modified foods are safe..". But, when independent scientists that didn't have the big funding researched gm foods, they came to a totally different conclusion. Same with the vaccine issue.

In essence it is not a belief system, but many recite what they hear from science ( usually popular or mainstream) without question the same way a religious person recite quotes from a book, so it becomes a popular belief system. Most ppl usually just adapt to a popular belief system without researching things on their own and finding out their own conclusion.

I never said science is never questioned, I was saying the things that get off into the mainstream become the status quo, then it is repeated over and over, taught in schools,then it becomes the "truth". My point was, as an individual, ppl should research and question what they have been taught instead of believing whatever is thrown at you. As for questioning mainstream science, especially if it's dealing with our health, start by questioning who funds the research.

As for evidence on when a scientist doesn't go with the "norm" and the funding stops, here's a link. This is just 1 of many cases but in this case, he was let go of his position. You must login or register to view this content.

I was going to ignore your post but this bit annoys me. I only recall vaguely but I do recall the person who originally claimed that vaccines were dangerous was found to be an enormous liar. I'll dig up a source later if I can.

You're so eager to reject what the 'mainstream' says but then you'll accept anything anyone else says nigh-on instantly. It's a bit irrational.

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The people you mention you don't question what they hear are fools. Most people with an kind of intelligence or critical thinking skills are taught to question everything and do their research. To use that as a point against science is ridiculous. It's the same with religion, they have the people who don't understand the scripture and the doctrine. They can believe what they like, but they have no place in any kind of intellectual discussion until they've done their research.

As for the vaccination thing, we get things wrong! That's the whole point of science. You continue to test things and make a conclusion based on all the evidence that is available to you at the time. If new evidence comes to light, then you and your peers will review it and come to another conclusion. It's rather funny that you use this as an argument against science. How often do religions disagree? Just take a look at how many Christian denominations there are

Just to throw this out there, because i don't have the time to read all 20 pages of this thread, but why does God have to go against science?

I am very sad to see the path you have taken, even if it is a joke.

I have been an atheist since I was 17, and an agnostic since I was 15 when I first came across the word.

1 guy whos character is assassinated does not discredit the vaccines being dangerous. There are plenty of scientists who are against it. I even talked to a few doctors who give vaccine shots to ppl, but said they wouldn't dare inject them into their children or themselves. Even put in my own due diligence and looked into what they put in the vaccines and it is not anything good for the body. But don't take my word for it, just wait for the authorities to tell you it's safe and go inject yourself with it.

You got me all wrong, I look at all sides before I make my conclusion as opposed to waiting for the "official" explanation. I question everything. That was my point from the get-go, is not to just accept things as true just because it is "official".