Post: Abortion.
02-06-2013, 04:08 PM #1
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04-01-2013, 03:18 PM #74
dapreacher23
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by Clutch
So are bacteria.

Never get adopted due to overwhelming amount of other kids who've been put up for adoption -> be miserable -> come out at whatever age, miserable -> never go anywhere in life as you never had the opportunity to do so -> die miserable. The end?

I hate the assumption that more life is immediately a positive thing. Society is broken and we have near or over seven billion people now, stop telling people who'd otherwise have abortions to have kids.



If they're choosing to keep it, it's foetus but also a child to-be. If they're going to abort it, it's just a foetus.

Either way, a woman should have a right to an abortion over something that is in every literal sense of the term sucking the life out of her.



Basically what your saying is the baby doesnt fit her lifestyle. These clinics are all business they dont care for the baby or the mothers life just how much money they can make. Any woman who puts a baby in her arms especially her baby has a special connection with the baby. A teen girl will feel like an outcast if she has a baby so she chooses to kill the baby. Why doesnt she have the baby then go the adoption route some families would love to have kids but cant. I know people who have adopted babies and their lives arent miserable, yet there are kids who never get adopted and they turn out fine. I hate the assumption that killing life is a positive thing just because society says it is okay doesnt mean we have to choose what society says. We live our life by this societies standards I can assure you that you will be miserable.
04-03-2013, 04:41 PM #75
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
Technically they are minding their own business, they just in the womb chillin like it ain't nothing.


No, technically they are forcefully living off of the mother.

Originally posted by another user
No i didnt mean entirely abstain, i just meant be more mindful of who your having sex with and how much of it your having with that person/s.


People already exercise caution like this - condoms can only do so much. You could have sex once, be 100% 'safe' and a little swimmer could still slip through. It happens. Because of that, abortion is a good solution to some and an abhorrent one to others - let's debate abortion without talking about abstinence when as I've already explained it's not reasonable. Actually, come to think of it, it's just circular reasoning.

Originally posted by another user
Your argument is "Lets have as much sex as possible and not worry about the repercussions because we have abortion, and can always fall back on acting like i never became pregnant".


Although that's very hyperbolic, sure, let's say I'm saying that. Women still need the right to an abortion in this instance for moral reasons I've already explained.

Originally posted by another user
All im saying is that in moderation abortion can be avoided and wont have to be used, but in some cases it will pop up and be favorable. But it shouldnt be spammed because you see, it wont benefit the population if the amount of sex someone has isnt properly maintained or regulated... then it would just be lots of broken homes/lives because of the absurd amount of kids being born and space being taken up, its just illogical to perform like this.


You only have that problem if you 'moderate' abortion. This is also a superbly extreme example, just like the one above.

Originally posted by another user
The kid doesnt have to be born, but it doesnt have to get to the point of abortion either... rapidly having children is anti productive in my opinion, and couples should be more mindful of the actions that they take. I never said anything about completely abstaining, just being mindful and aware.


Within this context, we both now that when you say "be mindful and aware" you're really trying to say "abstain". Don't sugarcoat it.

Originally posted by another user
Besides, there are people who have sex and don't use condoms... they literally just pull out.


'Pre-cum' among other things can still make women pregnant. Those little swimmers are very keen.

Originally posted by another user
Condom's should be preferred though. Just because abortion is available doesn't mean people shouldn't be properly educated on stuff like ethics, theres a certain way you go about doing things, you cant just perform like a violin player who gets to play every note available, and then run back and fix a string that broke... it doesn't work like that, you have to take care of what you have in the best way possible. I wasn't talking about morals, just ethics. In fact if it wasn't for the progression that birth control and all this stuff has made, then the entire world would be having a miniature Africa all over am i right? Still that may be a bad example due to a high percentage of rape but thats not the point... just babies being born rapidly with no control over who gets to live or not... food shortages and lack of resources, that is a real hell.


Just save some time and join me on the surprisingly not so dark side.
Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
Basically what your saying is the baby doesnt fit her lifestyle.


Using that as an example, sure. So what? It's still her body to do with as she pleases.

Originally posted by another user
These clinics are all business they dont care for the baby or the mothers life just how much money they can make.


So are most churches. At least these clinics do something for the money they receive.

Originally posted by another user
Any woman who puts a baby in her arms especially her baby has a special connection with the baby.


Yes, it's hormonal. It's instinctive. It's natural. It's also irrelevant.

Originally posted by another user
A teen girl will feel like an outcast if she has a baby so she chooses to kill the baby. Why doesnt she have the baby then go the adoption route some families would love to have kids but cant.


Because the system is already clogged with kids that want to be adopted. I'm so sick of this adoption line, I must have addressed this a dozen times by now.

Originally posted by another user
I know people who have adopted babies and their lives arent miserable, yet there are kids who never get adopted and they turn out fine. I hate the assumption that killing life is a positive thing just because society says it is okay doesnt mean we have to choose what society says. We live our life by this societies standards I can assure you that you will be miserable.


I agree with the last bit but for completely unrelated reasons.

Even if we could guarantee (we can't) that every single kid born would live a life worth living, that doesn't negate the fact that the foetus is forcefully living off of the mother and therefore the mother should have the right to an abortion at any time if she so desires. Let's not forget also that pregnancy can pose a very real health risk. Once again, it's her body over the foetus'.
04-03-2013, 06:02 PM #76
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
If abortion is passively encouraged like how your currently representing, then we will see a much higher increase in unborn babies.

Do you want that?
04-04-2013, 07:53 PM #77
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DevouR
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Originally posted by Clutch
Are you 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'? Whichever you are, why?


Another sensitive subject for me to indulge into!

I'm pro-abortion up to a certain stage and completely disagree with this late-term abortion shit. I believe there are other remedies that'd be more humane (ie. Adoption, Birth Control, Condoms ect.) but just like everything else, even if it's illegal, there'll always be a way around the system. I am however, completely against these girls who are too lazy to use BC or Condoms and have unprotected sex, become impregnated, and kill what would be a kid. (May just be the morality in me but that's just me.)
04-06-2013, 10:28 PM #78
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
If abortion is passively encouraged like how your currently representing, then we will see a much higher increase in unborn babies.

Do you want that?


I'm indifferent towards it. I certainly don't fear it like you do...

Also, the word is 'foetus''. Get it right.

Originally posted by DevouR View Post
I'm pro-abortion up to a certain stage and completely disagree with this late-term abortion shit. I believe there are other remedies that'd be more humane (ie. Adoption, Birth Control, Condoms ect.)


Adoption isn't viable as the number of kids to be adopted outweighs the number of parents looking to adopt. Significantly.

Lots of people who use birth control still get pregnant, it's not 100% effective.

Originally posted by another user
I am however, completely against these girls who are too lazy to use BC or Condoms and have unprotected sex, become impregnated, and kill what would be a kid. (May just be the morality in me but that's just me.)


Why would the prior intentions affect the morality of the abortion, other than to punish the pregnant woman?

Restricting abortions solely to punish someone is despicable.
04-06-2013, 10:45 PM #79
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Clutch
I'm indifferent towards it. I certainly don't fear it like you do...

Also, the word is 'foetus''. Get it right.



Adoption isn't viable as the number of kids to be adopted outweighs the number of parents looking to adopt. Significantly.

Lots of people who use birth control still get pregnant, it's not 100% effective.



Why would the prior intentions affect the morality of the abortion, other than to punish the pregnant woman?

Restricting abortions solely to punish someone is despicable.


Okay everyone, clutch here believes that abortion should be allowed in every circumstance no matter the cause, and should be spammed fruitlessly as everyone and their mother can be indifferent to the severity of not having a child. Thus the whole point of this discussion is fruitless, since the topic creator only sees in one way, perhaps clutch is a playboy of some sort who disregards the existence of life inside of the female body, or perhaps he had a bad experience, whatever the tale we will never know, all we know is that abortion should be available in all forms, and should be done as much as possible since everyone is too ignorant to take alternatives to preventing them from happening.

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04-06-2013, 10:45 PM #80
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DevouR
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Originally posted by Clutch
I'm indifferent towards it. I certainly don't fear it like you do...

Also, the word is 'foetus''. Get it right.



Adoption isn't viable as the number of kids to be adopted outweighs the number of parents looking to adopt. Significantly.

Lots of people who use birth control still get pregnant, it's not 100% effective.



Why would the prior intentions affect the morality of the abortion, other than to punish the pregnant woman?

Restricting abortions solely to punish someone is despicable.


Very true. inb4 make sex illegal :troll:
04-08-2013, 05:13 PM #81
dapreacher23
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by Clutch
No, technically they are forcefully living off of the mother.



People already exercise caution like this - condoms can only do so much. You could have sex once, be 100% 'safe' and a little swimmer could still slip through. It happens. Because of that, abortion is a good solution to some and an abhorrent one to others - let's debate abortion without talking about abstinence when as I've already explained it's not reasonable. Actually, come to think of it, it's just circular reasoning.



Although that's very hyperbolic, sure, let's say I'm saying that. Women still need the right to an abortion in this instance for moral reasons I've already explained.



You only have that problem if you 'moderate' abortion. This is also a superbly extreme example, just like the one above.



Within this context, we both now that when you say "be mindful and aware" you're really trying to say "abstain". Don't sugarcoat it.



'Pre-cum' among other things can still make women pregnant. Those little swimmers are very keen.



Just save some time and join me on the surprisingly not so dark side.


Using that as an example, sure. So what? It's still her body to do with as she pleases.



So are most churches. At least these clinics do something for the money they receive.



Yes, it's hormonal. It's instinctive. It's natural. It's also irrelevant.



Because the system is already clogged with kids that want to be adopted. I'm so sick of this adoption line, I must have addressed this a dozen times by now.



I agree with the last bit but for completely unrelated reasons.

Even if we could guarantee (we can't) that every single kid born would live a life worth living, that doesn't negate the fact that the foetus is forcefully living off of the mother and therefore the mother should have the right to an abortion at any time if she so desires. Let's not forget also that pregnancy can pose a very real health risk. Once again, it's her body over the foetus'.


So if this baby shouldnt have a life then what about idk lets say the special needs kids because they in your belief will not have a life worth living should we just kill them too? The baby in the womb has rights too just because a baby doesnt fit the girls lifestyle doesnt mean she should kill the baby. You have to look at both sides and actually visit a clinic to see the psychological things that happen to these girls.

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Originally posted by Clutch
I'm indifferent towards it. I certainly don't fear it like you do...

Also, the word is 'foetus''. Get it right.



Adoption isn't viable as the number of kids to be adopted outweighs the number of parents looking to adopt. Significantly.

Lots of people who use birth control still get pregnant, it's not 100% effective.



Why would the prior intentions affect the morality of the abortion, other than to punish the pregnant woman?

Restricting abortions solely to punish someone is despicable.


Its funny that someone who already has life says kill the baby would you feel the same if your mom attempted to abort you imagine how you would feel?
04-08-2013, 09:30 PM #82
Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
So if this baby shouldnt have a life then what about idk lets say the special needs kids because they in your belief will not have a life worth living should we just kill them too?


If they were forcefully living off of someone in the way that a foetus does and said person didn't want them anymore, sure. But that'd basically be abortion, huh?

Originally posted by another user
The baby in the womb has rights too just because a baby doesnt fit the girls lifestyle doesnt mean she should kill the baby. You have to look at both sides and actually visit a clinic to see the psychological things that happen to these girls.


Women find it difficult because they've a natural inclination to procreate. That's all.

Originally posted by another user
Its funny that someone who already has life says kill the baby would you feel the same if your mom attempted to abort you imagine how you would feel?


If she had aborted me when I was in the womb then I wouldn't be around anymore, would I? You can't care once you're non-existent.

This is all beating around the bush though - my argument strongly revolves around the whole forcefully living off of the mother thing. Without trying to appeal to emotion, can you actually refute that?

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