Originally posted by Keomo
Technically they are minding their own business, they just in the womb chillin like it ain't nothing.
No, technically they are forcefully living off of the mother.
Originally posted by another user
No i didnt mean entirely abstain, i just meant be more mindful of who your having sex with and how much of it your having with that person/s.
People already exercise caution like this - condoms can only do so much. You could have sex once, be 100% 'safe' and a little swimmer could still slip through. It happens. Because of that, abortion is a good solution to some and an abhorrent one to others - let's debate abortion without talking about abstinence when as I've already explained it's not reasonable. Actually, come to think of it, it's just circular reasoning.
Originally posted by another user
Your argument is "Lets have as much sex as possible and not worry about the repercussions because we have abortion, and can always fall back on acting like i never became pregnant".
Although that's very hyperbolic, sure, let's say I'm saying that. Women still need the right to an abortion in this instance for moral reasons I've already explained.
Originally posted by another user
All im saying is that in moderation abortion can be avoided and wont have to be used, but in some cases it will pop up and be favorable. But it shouldnt be spammed because you see, it wont benefit the population if the amount of sex someone has isnt properly maintained or regulated... then it would just be lots of broken homes/lives because of the absurd amount of kids being born and space being taken up, its just illogical to perform like this.
You only have that problem if you 'moderate' abortion. This is also a superbly extreme example, just like the one above.
Originally posted by another user
The kid doesnt have to be born, but it doesnt have to get to the point of abortion either... rapidly having children is anti productive in my opinion, and couples should be more mindful of the actions that they take. I never said anything about completely abstaining, just being mindful and aware.
Within this context, we both now that when you say "be mindful and aware" you're really trying to say "abstain". Don't sugarcoat it.
Originally posted by another user
Besides, there are people who have sex and don't use condoms... they literally just pull out.
'Pre-cum' among other things can still make women pregnant. Those little swimmers are very keen.
Originally posted by another user
Condom's should be preferred though. Just because abortion is available doesn't mean people shouldn't be properly educated on stuff like ethics, theres a certain way you go about doing things, you cant just perform like a violin player who gets to play every note available, and then run back and fix a string that broke... it doesn't work like that, you have to take care of what you have in the best way possible. I wasn't talking about morals, just ethics. In fact if it wasn't for the progression that birth control and all this stuff has made, then the entire world would be having a miniature Africa all over am i right? Still that may be a bad example due to a high percentage of rape but thats not the point... just babies being born rapidly with no control over who gets to live or not... food shortages and lack of resources, that is a real hell.
Just save some time and join me on the surprisingly not so dark side.
Originally posted by dapreacher23
Basically what your saying is the baby doesnt fit her lifestyle.
Using that as an example, sure. So what? It's still her body to do with as she pleases.
Originally posted by another user
These clinics are all business they dont care for the baby or the mothers life just how much money they can make.
So are most churches. At least these clinics do something for the money they receive.
Originally posted by another user
Any woman who puts a baby in her arms especially her baby has a special connection with the baby.
Yes, it's hormonal. It's instinctive. It's natural. It's also irrelevant.
Originally posted by another user
A teen girl will feel like an outcast if she has a baby so she chooses to kill the baby. Why doesnt she have the baby then go the adoption route some families would love to have kids but cant.
Because the system is already clogged with kids that want to be adopted. I'm so sick of this adoption line, I must have addressed this a dozen times by now.
Originally posted by another user
I know people who have adopted babies and their lives arent miserable, yet there are kids who never get adopted and they turn out fine. I hate the assumption that killing life is a positive thing just because society says it is okay doesnt mean we have to choose what society says. We live our life by this societies standards I can assure you that you will be miserable.
I agree with the last bit but for completely unrelated reasons.
Even if we could guarantee (we can't) that every single kid born would live a life worth living, that doesn't negate the fact that the foetus is forcefully living off of the mother and therefore the mother should have the right to an abortion at any time if she so desires. Let's not forget also that pregnancy can pose a very real health risk. Once again, it's her body over the foetus'.