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So yeah, talk about it here.

If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:

Conservatives - British Conservatism, British Unionism, Eurosceptism -You must login or register to view this content.

Labour - Democratic Socialism, Support the working class -You must login or register to view this content.

Liberal Democrat - Social & Green Liberalism, Internationalism, Social Democracy, Left Libertarianism -You must login or register to view this content.

UKIP - Eurosceptism, Libertarianism, Traditional Conservatism - You must login or register to view this content.

There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism

Yeah that is all they need to do, "whats that Mr Cameron? in 2017 after we elect you back in you'll hold a referendum on the EU?" He knows he's not getting back in power because he lost the complete trust of the public and his backbenchers hence why the majority of MP's and councilors are flocking to the UKIP. The environmental policies are based on competitiveness because business in this country and the EU is so heavily regulated it's making us non-competitive with the likes of the BRIC countries, Brazil, Russia, India, China and the fact wind turbines are ruining the countryside, communities etc. Businesses here are packing up and profiting more elsewhere.

Cameron is more PRO-EU than any other leader i've seen except maybe clegg who is so deluded he thinks we can take the lead role in Europe. We only joined the union to get influence and we have virtually nothing.. our vetoes don't even matter. If you really knew who was in charge of that downright corrupt disgraceful excuse of a union then you wouldn't think twice like the growing number of people who are waking up.

Just a little pointer about your issue on the green party, even if you disliked having the monarchy it wouldn't be wise as the taxpayer pays less money annually as a result and the fact they rake in billions of tourist money for Britain.

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That simply is not true, UKIP has the biggest momentum of the past few months as opinion polls have showed.. Farage is the most favoured Leader for the country over the rest and UKIP are more respected as a party then the other 3 main political parties who have lied and sold us out to a bunch of crooks who oppose democracy.

You could compare UKIP to pastry in the sense that they apply to all parts of the country just as pastry applies all over a pies contents however it's a thin layer (spread out votes) whereas the greens reap their votes from clusters such as communities where nuclear plants are being built which you could compare has having a lump of pastry (Majority of the vote in certain areas). Welcome to the world of the FPTP voting system which only the monarchy has the power to change the system.

But you can be sure UKIP are getting more councilors by the day which will have a huge impact in gaining them the clusters of support in certain constituencies. That's the trouble with the FPTP system, for example, even though labour might get in power with 36% of the vote in a GE that doesn't reflect the views of the other 64% of the population.

As you know I've followed UKIP for a while now after being let down repeatedly by the current career politicans who really only care about themselves and their backbenchers, it's been clear to see over the past few decades how there lack of leadership has took us 1 step forward and 10 steps back.

Admittedly labour is the worst of the worst, they have created turmoil.. ruining the pension system, mis-using taxpayers money on an unimaginable scale, uncontrolled immigration (which Miliband has admitted to). I fear the the split on the right will cause damage by allowing labour back in but the only party splitting the vote on the right is the conservatives not UKIP.

People increasingly trust Farage because he speaks common sense and exposes the EU for what it truly is and he's been right on multiple occasions, just take a look at what's happening in Cyprus. Nigel worked on the stock markets for 20 years as a conservative voter before he turned to politics and the creation of UKIP after the Maastricht treaty was signed whereas the likes of Dodgy Dave who was born into politics set out to be a politician from day 1 after graduating from university.

All in all even if you don't agree with UKIP in certain areas of their manifesto it's definitely worth a try by getting them in power, it cannot be any worse than the other 3 who have had chance after chance and blew it for the majority of the population. Farage is the only person that resembles a leader to me, he's a down to earth guy and doesn't try to avoid the everyday scrutiny of the media, he rolls around in it and uses it to his advantage by answering straight to the point.

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You're right, and that's why alot of people don't bother turning up and voting for a party of their choice because you cannot tell the difference between them behind the lies, deceit and false promises. I feel there is a breath of fresh air to be had though with the rise of UKIP who look like the peoples party. Worth taking them into consideration especially when the recent by-election in Eastleigh showed that many people who hadn't voted for a political party in 20 years actually came out and voted for them.

I REFER YOU ALL TO THIS:

There has been a rise of 12% in UKIP popularity... Saying the 'majority' of MPs and councillors are 'flocking' to them is a lie.



it's a fucking wind turbine, it's environmentally friendly, how does it ruin countrysides and communities? and what kind of environmental policy hates on environmentally friendly creations, especially when it pumps more money back into the UK economy?

[/quote]Cameron is more PRO-EU than any other leader i've seen except maybe clegg who is so deluded he thinks we can take the lead role in Europe. We only joined the union to get influence and we have virtually nothing.. our vetoes don't even matter. If you really knew who was in charge of that downright corrupt disgraceful excuse of a union then you wouldn't think twice like the growing number of people who are waking up.[/quote]

Cameron is heavily anti-EU!!! He's not, in any way, 'the most pro-EU leader ever'. Also, don't blame too much on Clegg, he's just Cameron's bitch.Oh and by the way, our vetoes don't count for anything? Then explain why britain's veto stopped the introduction of something when 25 other countries voted for it and britain was the only one against it..... You must login or register to view this content.




1.) Opinion polls are biased and unreliable. This is the first thing they teach you when studying politics. 2.) I would like to see a source for those opinion polls, not believe dogmatic statements.




To some extent I agree with you here. FPTP isn't particularly democratic in the grand scheme of things. I prefer the STV system, since we're not getting AV.

So UKIP aren't career politicians? Lolololol

I grant you, I may have over-exaggerated in saying the majority.. but increasingly senior tory MPs are packing their bags and heading to a party they they feel represents the electorate. Victoria Ayling is the latest and if you've read the news she's stated that many others have been in contact with her about defecting to UKIP.



"Industrial wind factories are destructive to communities and local environments. Fragile ecosystems are destroyed. Birds and bats are killed. Animal habitats are disrupted and wildlife is driven from the area. Noise and vibrations cause human health problems, including sleep problems, headaches and nervous disorders. Home values and real estate prices are reduced, with some properties becoming impossible to sell."

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Look the very same newspaper.. the Guardian, the paper that is about Pro-Tory as I am Pro-UKIP actually recognises how Pro-EU cameron actually is and there are many more articles like it. Try to source me information that is more recent than 2011 infact don't because no matter what the truth eventually prevails, Dodgy Dave isn't fooling anybody. In current times we have little real influence which resides in the fact we aren't part of the same monetary union however we are part of the political union therefore what they say, applies to all member states.



It's clear I didn't attend politic classes unlike you, what sort of qualification do you have? I became interested in politics after seeing what the political class have done to our country and mainly through Nigel Farage's videos so at the end of things I'm not a political genius but as a kid you were always told right from wrong and this is where I put it into action. The answer that keeps popping up following the EU comission's actions and ambitions is all too often WRONG.

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There are many more where they came from as I've seen them myself but it would be pointless to list all the opinion polls when you wouldn't even bother looking at them.

Of course it's all opinion and doesn't really reflect the outcome in the end but I mean just look at the Eastleigh byelection where all the main media corporations were writing UKIP off as a distant third yet they came within a thousand votes of winning. If you look a little further you'd notice they had a disadvantage through the postal voting system as they couldn't reach everyone in time so potentially they could very well have won that under a more fairer voting system.



I'm glad you took the initiative and expressed that you actually share the same view as me somewhat.



Well last time I looked, working as a stock broker was a very well paid career what's the point in tackling something much harder and less likely for an individual to conquer? Bit of a risky move if you ask me unless of course you foresaw what would happen under the Maastricht treaty and the treaties to follow that got rammed through parliaments regardless of whether people favoured them or not. Care to share your views on why you'd consider UKIP to be career politicians?

All in all Farage will always be more likely to get the public backing, he has support from all over Europe and has a large following in North America. A politician orientated to following his chief whips orders and the current political elite agenda all the while creating false hopes & promises will never fully have the true backing.


Just a little taste to see who we are actually dealing with in the EUSSR, it may or may not suprise you depending on how much you take notice. You may get the jist of what I'm implying when I say "EUSSR" but these videos should clear things up.

People will probably say the EU union is nothing like Soviet Russia, you'd be wrong.

I won't comment further as I'm enjoying reading this, but Nigel Farage's speaches are just brilliant. Excellent watch.

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No surprises

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So they're starting to do something about immigration, it just doesn't seem like enough to me.

Thoughts?

Watching politics is like watching the hills.

Reminds me of a Linkin Park song - IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTERUHUUURRRRRR

Looks like they're all jumping on the bandwagon under the UKIP threat. A couple of years ago it would have been racist to consider the future impacts of new waves of immigration but maybe Cameron is serious because he knows that there isn't enough jobs to go around as we are becoming stretched as a nation and he won't have to job to turn to come 2015.

The only thing this shows to me is that because of the potential threat to their votes they need to win those votes back by using their rival parties tricks. They didn't care that societies were becoming divided, in some parts of Britain you need to learn multiple different languages in order to go about everyday life (failed integration systems), they didn't care that even at a time when the unskilled jobs market was full capacity they still very irresponsibly continued allowed a huge number of legal migrants into the country, cuts to the border agency have stretched them to breaking point and they are unable to deal with those who have been here longer than granted by their visas as shown by the 100,000 backlog that hasn't been dealt with.

There are many other concerns but I'm not going to ramble on. Migration is good in moderation as long as they can fill the skills gaps in this country although I'd rather see more initiative by the government to grant people experience so they can fill those gaps anyways. But really in the end immigration benefits the country's GDP but not that of individual families living here.

DC can talk, but he won't walk the walk which the past has shown, I'm really not surprised that he is rapidly losing support of the those who voted him in and even his own cabinet.

The Collation is a complete fail! As a Welsh man I support Plaid Cymru

Agreed, if Cameron is elected in 2015 then I'll be very surprised. From what I've seen not many people are buying his new immigration schemes but I see it as a step in the right direction. Interestingly enough, Miliband has recently talked about how he thinks that Labour has been wrong about immigration all these years. I can see a lot of people voting Labour this year simply because they dislike Cameron.



Can't say I agree with you there :p I don't think us Welsh could survive on our own.