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03-13-2013, 09:00 PM
#1
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
So yeah, talk about it here.
If you don't know much about UK politics, we currently have a coalition government between the Tories & the Lib Dems (Tories didn't get the majority of votes). The four main parties are:
Conservatives - British Conservatism, British Unionism, Eurosceptism -You must login or register to view this content.
Labour - Democratic Socialism, Support the working class -You must login or register to view this content.
Liberal Democrat - Social & Green Liberalism, Internationalism, Social Democracy, Left Libertarianism -You must login or register to view this content.
UKIP - Eurosceptism, Libertarianism, Traditional Conservatism - You must login or register to view this content.
There's also parties such as BNP who are right wing, BNP in particular are very anti-immigration, SNP & Plaid Cymru who focus on independence for their constituent countries, as well as other parties such as the Green party who support British Republicanism
03-25-2013, 10:44 PM
#29
AppleTechKid
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Originally posted by .James
Agreed, if Cameron is elected in 2015 then I'll be very surprised. From what I've seen not many people are buying his new immigration schemes but I see it as a step in the right direction. Interestingly enough, Miliband has recently talked about how he thinks that Labour has been wrong about immigration all these years. I can see a lot of people voting Labour this year simply because they dislike Cameron.
Can't say I agree with you there :p I don't think us Welsh could survive on our own.
Can't say I agree with you there :p I don't think us Welsh could survive on our own.
In my opinion we could, we have a thriving economy that would become even better if we traded as an independent country. We could raise awareness of our country by becoming independent and then improve our economy and international standings
03-27-2013, 06:41 PM
#31
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by .James
This whole immigration debate needs to die it based on ideology do so far over hard numbers. The result is a lot of damage is being done immigration is good for the UK. Okay some reform needs to happen to stop people from abusing it but dodging tax costs us more.
We need a real debate I understand people fear that Britain is no longer Britain we need to get rid of the idea of white middle England empire Britain. The fact of the matter Britain wealth was built on immigration along with loads of cultures coming together.
It unbritish not to allow people here and accept them, of course the people who do come add loads to this nation.
If people want I can link to a couple dozen studies which show that.
Nick Clegg is stuck in between a rock and a hard place. I feel that he doing a great job but the lib dems need to speak up more. The risk is that they agree to do something, speak up which is the opposite view. But that's the nature of the deal they struck.
Misplaced to attack Nick Clegg so much without understanding the deal in front of him nobody would have not done what he did.
Originally posted by AppleTechKid
In my opinion we could, we have a thriving economy that would become even better if we traded as an independent country. We could raise awareness of our country by becoming independent and then improve our economy and international standings
Giving more power to local government is a good idea in my eyes. It would help the economy and make most of the UK less dependant on London. In some ways the focus on London needs to end so that other cities become a driver for growth around the UK.
Independence for Scotland or Wales would be a bad idea, however giving more power is not. Same goes for the rest of England. Some people are going to hate me but I think Ireland should join together along with come under the banner of the UK. Of course give them devolved power just like Scotland or Wales.
One thing I would like to see more power to local government on taxes and spending. A couple other things which local government could handle which would give us more bang for the buck.
I would like to see act of the major cities become major hubs to the areas they cover. That for a long period of time has been a big problem in the UK. London is a success we should keep the city alive and London now it's time to give the rest of the UK the same success.
We are stronger together
Scotland for example would be loads poorer same with Wales. Have to find the numbers one thing I would do is increase the funding to Wales.
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
I don't really follow politics much. My opinion is they all lie. They all say they will do this and that and not one of those things is done when they get into power. The government we have now is a joke. There are certain things you should cut, and things you shouldn't. Cutting the police, military, NHS, fire service is too much of a joke. We need ALL of those things day in day out. They give the rich more money, while taking money from the hard up people who struggle to keep warm and buy food. Labour didn't do much last time, but it's the party I 'support' (I say support because I like their ethics of supporting the working people. I didn't vote the last time because like I say, they all lie, and not knowing much about politics to even care, but with this government fucking our country up even more, I'll be voting next time to get them out.
They're clever fuckers though. They put up beer prices by something like 5p, then this latest budget they bring them down 1p, so then it looks like they're doing some good but everyone forgot the previous increase. Same shit with petrol.
All politicians lie and change they strategy when they get power. That's how I see it.
They're clever fuckers though. They put up beer prices by something like 5p, then this latest budget they bring them down 1p, so then it looks like they're doing some good but everyone forgot the previous increase. Same shit with petrol.
All politicians lie and change they strategy when they get power. That's how I see it.
Don't think it's that bad but a lot of polices which make no sense and just ideology drives them.
Do think it's time for a big change making things way more open. All things driving policy are put up online and who wrote the research behind it.
You know make it clear what is driving policy did sound good but really is a terrible idea. A good example is cutting the number of foreign students who can come to the UK which was making us a pretty penny.
Just to hit a daily mail target!
Originally posted by Liam
That simply is not true, UKIP has the biggest momentum of the past few months as opinion polls have showed.. Farage is the most favoured Leader for the country over the rest and UKIP are more respected as a party then the other 3 main political parties who have lied and sold us out to a bunch of crooks who oppose democracy.
You could compare UKIP to pastry in the sense that they apply to all parts of the country just as pastry applies all over a pies contents however it's a thin layer (spread out votes) whereas the greens reap their votes from clusters such as communities where nuclear plants are being built which you could compare has having a lump of pastry (Majority of the vote in certain areas). Welcome to the world of the FPTP voting system which only the monarchy has the power to change the system.
But you can be sure UKIP are getting more councilors by the day which will have a huge impact in gaining them the clusters of support in certain constituencies. That's the trouble with the FPTP system, for example, even though labour might get in power with 36% of the vote in a GE that doesn't reflect the views of the other 64% of the population.
As you know I've followed UKIP for a while now after being let down repeatedly by the current career politicans who really only care about themselves and their backbenchers, it's been clear to see over the past few decades how there lack of leadership has took us 1 step forward and 10 steps back.
Admittedly labour is the worst of the worst, they have created turmoil.. ruining the pension system, mis-using taxpayers money on an unimaginable scale, uncontrolled immigration (which Miliband has admitted to). I fear the the split on the right will cause damage by allowing labour back in but the only party splitting the vote on the right is the conservatives not UKIP.
People increasingly trust Farage because he speaks common sense and exposes the EU for what it truly is and he's been right on multiple occasions, just take a look at what's happening in Cyprus. Nigel worked on the stock markets for 20 years as a conservative voter before he turned to politics and the creation of UKIP after the Maastricht treaty was signed whereas the likes of Dodgy Dave who was born into politics set out to be a politician from day 1 after graduating from university.
All in all even if you don't agree with UKIP in certain areas of their manifesto it's definitely worth a try by getting them in power, it cannot be any worse than the other 3 who have had chance after chance and blew it for the majority of the population. Farage is the only person that resembles a leader to me, he's a down to earth guy and doesn't try to avoid the everyday scrutiny of the media, he rolls around in it and uses it to his advantage by answering straight to the point.
UKIP has 7 councilors.
The Green party has 147 councilors
Them polls have a long way to go before you get any real support. Couple months of riding high are nothing it's going to take years.
Only lack of leadership has been from listening to ideology over letting the numbers drive forward reform. I can think of a couple good examples on that from labour to the conservatives and UKIP.
“ Uncontrolled immigration” it was not, hate that people still can't believe the numbers. Some reform is needed but the current reforms being talked about is hurting the UK. Like people forget the past and the history of the UK.
Still view UKIP full of career politicians who ride on hating the EU. Been a number of cases in which they had to change things after being called out. One example was printing that 2 million people (was it) wanted to come here when only 4 million live in that nation.
Farage in my eyes is worse leader compared to Dave who also avoids hard questions. Notice how Dave always does not say “I get back to you on that” at PMQs. Can See Farage does the same if he got into number 10.
I'm more likely to vote Lib Dems or Green compare to UKIP. Don't agree with anything on the UKIP manifesto :p
03-27-2013, 08:22 PM
#32
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
As far as immigration goes, I think that we should be more like Austrailia to an extent, where only people who have skills that we require as a country can live here. Maybe not as extreme as that though lol.
I'd like it if Wales were to have a bit more power in the Welsh Assembly, but we can never be independent. A lot of areas are very poor and we don't have much of a trade. Apparently our GDP per capita is about £15,000 according to You must login or register to view this content., that's really low. We could never survive as an independent country.
I read the UKIP manifesto for Wales a few weeks ago. Just picking out a few of the points:
Not sure what I think of this. Sounds to me like a downgrade in our power as a constituent country, maybe I'm wrong.
Will they though?
Agree with some of this, immigration needs to be fixed and stricter rules need to be brought in. Not sure what I think about key workers only being allowed in for a fixed period of time, almost seems like too much. Referring back to what I said about Australia, it shouldn't be to that extent.
Interesting, this would probably lower the crime rates by quite a lot. Not sure what I think.
Cymru am byth!
I'd like it if Wales were to have a bit more power in the Welsh Assembly, but we can never be independent. A lot of areas are very poor and we don't have much of a trade. Apparently our GDP per capita is about £15,000 according to You must login or register to view this content., that's really low. We could never survive as an independent country.
I read the UKIP manifesto for Wales a few weeks ago. Just picking out a few of the points:
Originally posted by another user
Renew the Welsh Assembly, but in a far less costly form. Remove the Assembly Members, who are overpaid and underemployed. Replace them with Welsh Westminster MPs meeting a week a month in Wales.
Not sure what I think of this. Sounds to me like a downgrade in our power as a constituent country, maybe I'm wrong.
Originally posted by another user
Redeploy billions of saved EU money to Wales and her people
Will they though?
Originally posted by another user
End Labour’s mass immigration, which let in 3 million in 13 years. Freeze permanent settlement for five years to sort out the system. Increase Border Agency staffing as necessary to control immigration. Introduce strict visa controls. Admit key workers only, for fixed periods only. Deport illegal immigrants and foreign criminals. Deliver all official communications in Welsh or English only.
Agree with some of this, immigration needs to be fixed and stricter rules need to be brought in. Not sure what I think about key workers only being allowed in for a fixed period of time, almost seems like too much. Referring back to what I said about Australia, it shouldn't be to that extent.
Originally posted by another user
Ensure that there are enough prisons to keep criminals locked up. Deny all prisoners the right to vote. Make sentences real. Life means life; 6 months will not mean 3 weeks. Send young offenders to boot-camps to snap them out of criminality.
Interesting, this would probably lower the crime rates by quite a lot. Not sure what I think.
Originally posted by another user
Increase Welsh school budgets by more than £600 per pupil to match England
Cymru am byth!
Originally posted by another user
Minimise central-government interference in teachers’ work[/quote[
Good. Something the Tories did wrong.
Completely and utterly disagree, building new power plants and removing our sources of sustainable energy is a ridiculous idea. Furthermore, we don't even have any coal left! This isn't the late 19th century!
I agree to an extent. I think that gay marriage should only be allowed if the particular church and its members allow it. Let's say for example, a gay couple wanted to get married. Church 1 said no as it goes against their beliefs, but Church 2 allows it because they believe in equal rights for people of different sexualities. In that case, the couple can go and get married in Church 2. If Church 1 tries to argue it, then it would be invalid as they'd be offending the views of Church 2.
Good. Something the Tories did wrong.
Originally posted by another user
Ban all future onshore wind-farms as environmentally damaging. Desubsidise wind, wave and solar power as irrelevant to our climate. Build nuclear power stations to safeguard Wales’ electricity supply. Reinvest in Welsh coal for use in new, cleaner, coal-fired power plants.
Completely and utterly disagree, building new power plants and removing our sources of sustainable energy is a ridiculous idea. Furthermore, we don't even have any coal left! This isn't the late 19th century!
Originally posted by another user
Civil partnerships represent an entirely common sense way of allowing gay men and women in our country to register in a formal way their long term commitment to one another and to take advantage of various laws relating to, for example, succession and financial planning in the same way as heterosexual couples. Civil partnerships in no way impinge upon the lives, beliefs, conscience and faith of other people. And the experience of our nation since the introduction of civil partnerships has been one of tolerant acceptance of them as a sensible way forward in adapting our society to meet changed attitudes of the 21st Century.
I agree to an extent. I think that gay marriage should only be allowed if the particular church and its members allow it. Let's say for example, a gay couple wanted to get married. Church 1 said no as it goes against their beliefs, but Church 2 allows it because they believe in equal rights for people of different sexualities. In that case, the couple can go and get married in Church 2. If Church 1 tries to argue it, then it would be invalid as they'd be offending the views of Church 2.
03-28-2013, 06:58 PM
#33
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by .James
As far as immigration goes, I think that we should be more like Austrailia to an extent, where only people who have skills that we require as a country can live here. Maybe not as extreme as that though lol.
I'd like it if Wales were to have a bit more power in the Welsh Assembly, but we can never be independent. A lot of areas are very poor and we don't have much of a trade. Apparently our GDP per capita is about £15,000 according to You must login or register to view this content., that's really low. We could never survive as an independent country.
I read the UKIP manifesto for Wales a few weeks ago. Just picking out a few of the points:
Not sure what I think of this. Sounds to me like a downgrade in our power as a constituent country, maybe I'm wrong.
Will they though?
Agree with some of this, immigration needs to be fixed and stricter rules need to be brought in. Not sure what I think about key workers only being allowed in for a fixed period of time, almost seems like too much. Referring back to what I said about Australia, it shouldn't be to that extent.
Interesting, this would probably lower the crime rates by quite a lot. Not sure what I think.
Cymru am byth!
We had a immigration poilcy for a long time which was like Austrailia before the current govement came to power. The myth that the UK had uncontrolled immigration is a laugh done by people for idealogy reasons!
You must login or register to view this content. good read.
You must login or register to view this content. another one that good highlights some facts on the numbers.
We could have done more to make it so people merge with the locals, so people don't feel like people are taking over.
Onwards to the Welsh Assembly, sounds like a downgrade to me also. Not sure why he would want to do that.
"Minimise central-government interference in teachers’ work" most people say that but does not happen. I would make the whole process independent with evidence driven reforms. Would also make the process clear and transparency to teachers/colleges/unis. independent body to handle what kids learn. At the same time remove the focus on learning for a exam , make it a mix of assignments with tests all year round. Checking kids are learning not just learning for a exam.
Welsh budget is 15 billion vs 13 Billion going to the EU. Would double the Welsh budget which I can't see UKIP.
More prisons don't mean a lower crime rate. We have one of the highest numbers of prisons in the world yet a high crimerate still. A lot of people who go into prison also go back the rate for the UK is 70% to 90%. Norway is 16% to 30% also has less prisons along with inmates. Why it focuses on changing people making them feel human.
A higher school budget across the whole of the UK agree on that. With the highest increases being in poorer areas fine with that. Does not spell out how they would do it worrying. We been told that before I do have some ideas on how to do it myself.
Gay marriage I think we agree on that.
On energy lolz , we do have coal but should not focus just on coal. What we should do is focus on supporting all forms of energy. And at the same time efficiency! push efficiency it would save us money vs having to build loads of new plants.
okay that works forum.
I'd like it if Wales were to have a bit more power in the Welsh Assembly, but we can never be independent. A lot of areas are very poor and we don't have much of a trade. Apparently our GDP per capita is about £15,000 according to You must login or register to view this content., that's really low. We could never survive as an independent country.
I read the UKIP manifesto for Wales a few weeks ago. Just picking out a few of the points:
Not sure what I think of this. Sounds to me like a downgrade in our power as a constituent country, maybe I'm wrong.
Will they though?
Agree with some of this, immigration needs to be fixed and stricter rules need to be brought in. Not sure what I think about key workers only being allowed in for a fixed period of time, almost seems like too much. Referring back to what I said about Australia, it shouldn't be to that extent.
Interesting, this would probably lower the crime rates by quite a lot. Not sure what I think.
Cymru am byth!
Originally posted by another user
Minimise central-government interference in teachers’ work[/quote[
Good. Something the Tories did wrong.
Completely and utterly disagree, building new power plants and removing our sources of sustainable energy is a ridiculous idea. Furthermore, we don't even have any coal left! This isn't the late 19th century!
I agree to an extent. I think that gay marriage should only be allowed if the particular church and its members allow it. Let's say for example, a gay couple wanted to get married. Church 1 said no as it goes against their beliefs, but Church 2 allows it because they believe in equal rights for people of different sexualities. In that case, the couple can go and get married in Church 2. If Church 1 tries to argue it, then it would be invalid as they'd be offending the views of Church 2.
Good. Something the Tories did wrong.
Completely and utterly disagree, building new power plants and removing our sources of sustainable energy is a ridiculous idea. Furthermore, we don't even have any coal left! This isn't the late 19th century!
I agree to an extent. I think that gay marriage should only be allowed if the particular church and its members allow it. Let's say for example, a gay couple wanted to get married. Church 1 said no as it goes against their beliefs, but Church 2 allows it because they believe in equal rights for people of different sexualities. In that case, the couple can go and get married in Church 2. If Church 1 tries to argue it, then it would be invalid as they'd be offending the views of Church 2.
We had a immigration poilcy for a long time which was like Austrailia before the current govement came to power. The myth that the UK had uncontrolled immigration is a laugh done by people for idealogy reasons!
You must login or register to view this content. good read.
You must login or register to view this content. another one that good highlights some facts on the numbers.
We could have done more to make it so people merge with the locals, so people don't feel like people are taking over.
Onwards to the Welsh Assembly, sounds like a downgrade to me also. Not sure why he would want to do that.
"Minimise central-government interference in teachers’ work" most people say that but does not happen. I would make the whole process independent with evidence driven reforms. Would also make the process clear and transparency to teachers/colleges/unis. independent body to handle what kids learn. At the same time remove the focus on learning for a exam , make it a mix of assignments with tests all year round. Checking kids are learning not just learning for a exam.
Welsh budget is 15 billion vs 13 Billion going to the EU. Would double the Welsh budget which I can't see UKIP.
More prisons don't mean a lower crime rate. We have one of the highest numbers of prisons in the world yet a high crimerate still. A lot of people who go into prison also go back the rate for the UK is 70% to 90%. Norway is 16% to 30% also has less prisons along with inmates. Why it focuses on changing people making them feel human.
A higher school budget across the whole of the UK agree on that. With the highest increases being in poorer areas fine with that. Does not spell out how they would do it worrying. We been told that before I do have some ideas on how to do it myself.
Gay marriage I think we agree on that.
On energy lolz , we do have coal but should not focus just on coal. What we should do is focus on supporting all forms of energy. And at the same time efficiency! push efficiency it would save us money vs having to build loads of new plants.
okay that works forum.
04-04-2013, 07:25 PM
#36
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by .James
Not sure this matters too much compared to the 2015. Local elections happen and people vote different during the Gen election. If we do see a big swing it could be a sign of a labour win in 2015. We are talking about a big swing not a small one.
04-04-2013, 07:35 PM
#37
.James
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by ResistTheSun
Not sure this matters too much compared to the 2015. Local elections happen and people vote different during the Gen election. If we do see a big swing it could be a sign of a labour win in 2015. We are talking about a big swing not a small one.
Yeah It's just the council elections, and it doesn't really change much. Not everywhere in the UK is having one (the only one in Wales I can see is Anglesey) but I thought it would be good to post that article here nevertheless :p
To be honest with you, I already think that Labour will win the next General Election unless David Cameron takes action soon or we get a surprise from the Lib Dems or UKIP.
Although I'm not the biggest fan of Miliband, I don't think he's as bad as people says he is, and he seems more in touch with the general public than Cameron is if you know what I mean. However, a Labour government is definitely not preferable for me.
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